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</head><body><p>1++ to Olivier and Vanda<br></p><p style="position: fixed; top: 0px; left: -99999px; background: #ffffff none repeat scroll 0% 0%;">NEW DELHI: India is looking to fight a lonely battle on glob .. <br><br></p><p>Wolfgang<br></p><p><br></p><blockquote type="cite">Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> hat am 12. Juli 2019 um 12:03 geschrieben: <br> <br> Dear Vanda, <br> <br> thank you - that is exactly what I wanted to say. I'll come clean: in the preparation phase, I pushed for everyone to follow the same courses for two reasons: <br> <br> 1. Making sure that everybody had reached a high enough level of knowledge by the time we get to Montreal, that we do not end up wasting time on explaining how, for example, the GNSO works during the precious time that we will have face to face. I actually think that learning about ICANN this way is a real benefit to end users - it is vital knowledge needed to evolve in this environment. <br> 2. Making sure that other people in the group, the seasoned members of At-Large, knew what level of knowledge everyone was expected to achieve prior to the meeting, so that we do not end up with a discussion in Montréal that involves 15 expert members of the community and the rest not understanding what the heck they are talking about. <br> <br> Whilst I sympathize with people like Evan who have not been selected, the complaints about the ICANN learn courses being too long and a waste of time and not being bothered to finish them do not have my sympathy. Sorry. I took all of the mandatory courses, and in fact I also took all of the other ones on the ICANN Learn Web site too, in order to find out what was out there. It took me no more than an hour per course on the non mandatory ones, namely because in cases where I knew the topic well I either fast forwarded the video segments, or ran it at a higher speed than the original. I even ended up sending dozens of corrections to fix the courses to ICANN Learn staff. And lo and behold, I actually came across some real nuggets where I learnt something - and this has completed my education, where I can now comment on more topics that I better understand than before, in the public consultation process. And yes, I am really happy that I took the courses, because I enjoy learning more stuff, and I did. <br> So 5 x 1 hour = 5 hours. The Group that had to focus on Capacity Building asked each other: is it reasonable to ask a volunteer to spend 5 hours on a course within the length of 1 month? And the answer was YES. This could be done in chunks of 15 minutes, if wanted. It was really not a real workload. <br> Now I am reading many emails from many people about them not being able to complete the courses in time. Well, there were also the Webinars, as an even easier alternative. I am sorry this has taken out some people, but I would have expected a better and more positive response from seasoned participants. My outlook in life is that I am never confident enough to think that I do not require a refresher course - because the world moves on and I cannot rely solely on my past knowledge. <br> <br> Kindest regards, <br> <br> Olivier <br> <br><div class="ox-03a5ff1faa-moz-cite-prefix">On 11/07/2019 21:34, Vanda Scartezini wrote: <br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div class="ox-03a5ff1faa-WordSection1"><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal">Being in ICANN for around 20 years and have been using the e-learning courses for long time in capacitation to others, I was one that felt no real need to attend all courses or webinar.</p><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal">But I did all those, because rules in a worldwide selection are there to be followed, no exception shall be made if there was a selection criteria.</p><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal">I am sorry not to have well prepared people attending ATLAS III, but I see no point in complain against the rules clearer stated before the beginning of the process.</p><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal">best to all </p><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal"> </p><div><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal"><strong><em><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: #009193;">Vanda Scartezini</span></em></strong></p><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal"><strong><em><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: #009193;">Polo Consultores Associados</span></em></strong></p><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal"><strong><em><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; color: #009193;">Av. 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Full stop. </p></div><div><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;"> </p></div><div><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal" style="margin-right: 0in; margin-bottom: 12.0pt; margin-left: .5in;">Making exceptions would have opened a can of worms we decided to leave sealed, for better or worse.</p><div><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">Sent from my Pixel 3XL<br> <br> John Laprise, Ph.D.</p></div></div></div><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;"> </p><div><div><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 12:49 PM Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org" target="_blank" rel="noopener">evan@telly.org</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote><div><div><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma',sans-serif; color: #0b5394;">Hi Judith. </span></p></div><div><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma',sans-serif; color: #0b5394;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma',sans-serif; color: #0b5394;">Yes, I applied before the deadline. I committed to take the "how does ICANN work" courses but apparently didn't finish them in time. So apparently I have not sufficiently demonstrated that I understand how ALAC operates within ICANN. </span></p></div><div><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma',sans-serif; color: #0b5394;">(BTW, thouse ICANN learn courses are all aimed at registrants' PoV -- they miss much that is important to end users -- ie, At-Large. But, according to the selection committee, I don't know enough about this kind of thing.) </span></p></div><div><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma',sans-serif; color: #0b5394;"> </span></p></div><div><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma',sans-serif; color: #0b5394;">- Evan </span></p></div><div><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma',sans-serif; color: #0b5394;"> </span></p></div></div><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;"> </p><div><div><p class="ox-03a5ff1faa-MsoNormal" style="margin-left: .5in;">On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 13:28, Judith Hellerstein <<a href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com" target="_blank" rel="noopener">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote><div><p style="margin-left: .5in;">HI Evan,</p><p style="margin-left: .5in;">Did you apply? I was not on the evaluating team but as I understand it there were very few applications from NARALO</p><p style="margin-left: .5in;">Best,</p><p style="margin-left: .5in;">Judith</p><pre style="margin-left: .5in;">_________________________________________________________________________
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