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Dear Vanda,<br>
<br>
thank you - that is exactly what I wanted to say. I'll come clean:
in the preparation phase, I pushed for everyone to follow the same
courses for two reasons:<br>
<br>
1. Making sure that everybody had reached a high enough level of
knowledge by the time we get to Montreal, that we do not end up
wasting time on explaining how, for example, the GNSO works during
the precious time that we will have face to face. I actually think
that learning about ICANN this way is a real benefit to end users -
it is vital knowledge needed to evolve in this environment.<br>
2. Making sure that other people in the group, the seasoned members
of At-Large, knew what level of knowledge everyone was expected to
achieve prior to the meeting, so that we do not end up with a
discussion in Montréal that involves 15 expert members of the
community and the rest not understanding what the heck they are
talking about.<br>
<br>
Whilst I sympathize with people like Evan who have not been
selected, the complaints about the ICANN learn courses being too
long and a waste of time and not being bothered to finish them do
not have my sympathy. Sorry. I took all of the mandatory courses,
and in fact I also took all of the other ones on the ICANN Learn Web
site too, in order to find out what was out there. It took me no
more than an hour per course on the non mandatory ones, namely
because in cases where I knew the topic well I either fast forwarded
the video segments, or ran it at a higher speed than the original. I
even ended up sending dozens of corrections to fix the courses to
ICANN Learn staff. And lo and behold, I actually came across some
real nuggets where I learnt something - and this has completed my
education, where I can now comment on more topics that I better
understand than before, in the public consultation process. And yes,
I am really happy that I took the courses, because I enjoy learning
more stuff, and I did.<br>
So 5 x 1 hour = 5 hours. The Group that had to focus on Capacity
Building asked each other: is it reasonable to ask a volunteer to
spend 5 hours on a course within the length of 1 month? And the
answer was YES. This could be done in chunks of 15 minutes, if
wanted. It was really not a real workload. <br>
Now I am reading many emails from many people about them not being
able to complete the courses in time. Well, there were also the
Webinars, as an even easier alternative. I am sorry this has taken
out some people, but I would have expected a better and more
positive response from seasoned participants. My outlook in life is
that I am never confident enough to think that I do not require a
refresher course - because the world moves on and I cannot rely
solely on my past knowledge.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/07/2019 21:34, Vanda Scartezini
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<p class="MsoNormal">Being in ICANN for around 20 years and have
been using the e-learning courses for long time in
capacitation to others, I was one that felt no real need to
attend all courses or webinar.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But I did all those, because rules in a
worldwide selection are there to be followed, no exception
shall be made if there was a selection criteria.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I am sorry not to have well prepared people
attending ATLAS III, but I see no point in complain against
the rules clearer stated before the beginning of the process.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">best to all <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><i><span
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span
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of John Laprise <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com"><jlaprise@gmail.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 15:02<br>
<b>To: </b>Humberto Carrasco <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:hcarrasco@cmsz.cl"><hcarrasco@cmsz.cl></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>'At-Large Worldwide'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [At-Large] Fwd: ATLASIII
Participation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Indeed<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On Thu, Jul
11, 2019, 1:01 PM Humberto Carrasco <<a
href="mailto:hcarrasco@cmsz.cl" moz-do-not-send="true">hcarrasco@cmsz.cl</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Please, do
not forget that webinars were an alternative of online
courses.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">Regards<o:p></o:p></p>
<div id="m_-1721026621240193157AppleMailSignature">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Enviado
desde mi iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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El 11-07-2019, a la(s) 13:55, John Laprise <<a
href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jlaprise@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Hi
Evan, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Simply
put, it wasn't about you.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">The
program committee, ALAC and the
selection committee agreed that participation
in the webinars was a hard requirement. Full
stop. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">Making
exceptions would have opened a can of worms we
decided to leave sealed, for better or worse.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">Sent
from my Pixel 3XL<br>
<br>
John Laprise, Ph.D.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in">On
Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 12:49 PM Evan Leibovitch
<<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">evan@telly.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">Hi
Judith.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.5in"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">Yes,
I applied before the deadline. I
committed to take the "how does ICANN
work" courses but apparently didn't
finish them in time. So apparently I
have not sufficiently demonstrated that
I understand how ALAC operates within
ICANN.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">(BTW,
thouse ICANN learn courses are all aimed
at registrants' PoV -- they miss much
that is important to end users -- ie,
At-Large. But, according to the
selection committee, I don't know enough
about this kind of thing.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">-
Evan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.5in">On Thu, 11 Jul
2019 at 13:28, Judith Hellerstein <<a
href="mailto:judith@jhellerstein.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">judith@jhellerstein.com</a>>
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<p style="margin-left:.5in">HI Evan,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">Did you apply?
I was not on the evaluating team but as
I understand it there were very few
applications from NARALO<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin-left:.5in">Judith<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre style="margin-left:.5in">_________________________________________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.5in">On 7/11/2019
1:19 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-left:.5in"><span
style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:#0B5394">Having
been rejected from
participating because I would
have been such a tourist, I
have no comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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