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</style></head><body style='font-family: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: #FFFFFF;'><p>1++ to Olivier</p><p> </p><p>Wolfgang</p><p> </p><p> </p><div><div class="GroupWiseMessageBody" id="GroupWiseSection_1534844987000_wolfgang.kleinwaechter@medienkomm.uni-halle.de_03848B1F14C900009867776461663435_"><br><span> </span><span class="GroupwiseReplyHeader"><br><br>>>> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond <ocl@gih.com> 20.08.18 17.22 Uhr >>><br></span> Dear Michele,<br> <br> I never imagined I'd have to defend a registry in a discussion with you. :-)<br> EuRID engaged with Registrars and clients in the UK even *before* the Brexit Referendum so I cannot agree that it is not engaging constructively. The rules are clear: you need to be an entity with an address in the EU. <br> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/">https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/</a><br> <br> The majority vote in the UK has been to leave the EU. Blame the voters not EuRID that had clear rules that preceded the UK vote. Alternatively, open a subsidiary in an EU country and transfer the domain name to it. It is not that costly, especially if the domain name is so important.<br> Kindest regards,<br> <br> Olivier<br> <br> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/08/2018 16:20, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote> <style>p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {<br> margin: 0.0cm;<br> font-size: 11.0pt;<br> font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;<br>}<br>a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {<br> color: blue;<br> text-decoration: underline;<br>}<br>a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {<br> color: purple;<br> text-decoration: underline;<br>}<br>p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0 {<br> margin-right: 0.0cm;<br> margin-left: 0.0cm;<br> font-size: 11.0pt;<br> font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;<br>}<br>span.apple-converted-space {<br>}<br>span.EmailStyle19 {<br> font-family: Calibri , sans-serif;<br> color: windowtext;<br>}<br>*.MsoChpDefault {<br> font-size: 10.0pt;<br>}<br>div.WordSection1 {<br> page: WordSection1;<br>}<br></style> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal"><span>The change isn’t New Year’s eve – it’d be March 2019</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span>The issue is that the EC isn’t engaging constructively with registrars or our clients, so it’s a total mess.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Allowing existing registrants to keep their .eu domains would be the sanest way forward, but the EC doesn’t seem to be willing to discuss it.</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span>And they’ve also started some insane plan about expanding who can qualify for a .eu domain name without any real thought into how that can be made a reality. </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Oh the fun</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Regards</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span><br> Michele</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">--</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Mr Michele Neylon</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Blacknight Solutions</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Hosting, Colocation & Domains</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://blacknight.blog/">https://blacknight.blog/</a></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Intl. +353 (0) 59 9183072</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Direct Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Personal blog: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://michele.blog/">https://michele.blog/</a></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Some thoughts: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ceo.hosting/">https://ceo.hosting/</a> </span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">-------------------------------</span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black;">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span></span></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p> <div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(181, 196, 223) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt;">From: </span></b><span style="color: black; font-size: 12pt;">At-Large <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a> on behalf of Roberto Gaetano <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com"><roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com></a><br> <b>Date: </b>Monday 20 August 2018 at 14:35<br> <b>To: </b>Danko Jevtović <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:danko@jevtovic.rs"><danko@jevtovic.rs></a><br> <b>Cc: </b>At-Large Worldwide <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a><br> <b>Subject: </b>Re: [At-Large] A brexit problem that I heard about</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal">Danko, </p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">About EURID, I stand corrected, it is the EU who sets the rules. EURID only enforces them as operator.</p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">I fully agree with you, it is all part of the global package and nobody wants to start showing what the possible compromise points will be. The problems, from the operation’s point of view, is that in case of no compromise they have to do the job overnight on New Year’s Eve and that this will happen before the Brexit deadline, so even if a negotiation will be successful in 2019 the TLD changes could have been effective already.</p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">A big mess, where, as usual, politics dictates and common sense, once again, shows to be far less “common” than we think.</p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,</p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Roberto</p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><br> <br> </p> <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">On 20.08.2018, at 13:53, Danko Jevtović <<a href="mailto:danko@jevtovic.rs">danko@jevtovic.rs</a>> wrote:</p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Roboto Light" , serif;'>I understand that it is not up to EURID, but to EC (European Commission), that hold the contract with EURID to manage to TLDs.</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Roboto Light" , serif;'> </span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Roboto Light" , serif;'>The problem seems to be that possible solution (grandfathering clause) cannot be discussed outside of the whole package of Brexit negotiations, effectively blocking any reasonable progress.</span></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Roboto Light" , serif;'> </span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Roboto Light" , serif;'>Danko</span></p> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style='font-family: "Roboto Light" , serif;'> </span></p> </div> <div> <div style="border-width: 1pt medium medium; border-style: solid none none; border-color: rgb(225, 225, 225) currentColor currentColor; padding: 3pt 0cm 0cm;"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span>From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span> </span></span><span>At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Roberto Gaetano<br> <b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, August 20, 2018 1:09 PM<br> <b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bzs@theworld.com">bzs@theworld.com</a><br> <b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>At Large <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a><br> <b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [At-Large] A brexit problem that I heard about</span></p> </div> </div> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p> </div> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi Barry.<br> You might have a point in principle.<br> However the reality is that each TLD can decide its own rules, and therefore whether to be strict in terms of requirements - like for instance .bank - or loose - like for instance .com.<br> .eu has chosen the first approach, and has all right to do so. Whether EURID is willing to make an exception for Brexit - based also on the consideration that, as far as I know, they do not make continuous checking about whether the resistant still complies with the requirements - or not, I don’t know. Apparently not.<br> Cheers,<br> Roberto<br> <br> <br> <br> <br> </span></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span>On 17.08.2018, at 19:31,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bzs@theworld.com"><span style="color: purple;">bzs@theworld.com</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br> <br> <br> Ok I'll say it...<br> <br> How many of these affected *.EU domains were actually entities with<br> some sort of EU charter or relationship as the TLD was approved for in<br> 2005?<br> <br> I realize it's naive to point out that .NET was for networking<br> organizations and .ORG for not-for-profits etc. in a world where we<br> have .XYZ and .FAIL (must they really be FAILures?)<br> <br> Ok that ship has sailed because no one wanted to enforce it as it<br> would interfere with maximazing domain sales in those TLDs.<br> <br> But are we really supposed to get lathered up about those who now got<br> burned flouting all that?<br> <br> What promise do those affected actually expect to be upheld? Chapter<br> and verse not "well, we assumed..."?<br> <br> And, no, marching out one or two bona-fide examples doesn't quite rise<br> to a counter argument.<br> <br> If there were only one or two or ten I'll guess they could be handled<br> since they would have always had a legitimae reason to represent<br> themselves with a .EU domain which one would hope would allow them<br> some explicit accommodation.<br> <br> --<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br> -Barry Shein<br> <br> Software Tool & Die |<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bzs@TheWorld.com"><span style="color: purple;">bzs@TheWorld.com</span></a><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span> |<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.theworld.com/"><span style="color: purple;">http://www.TheWorld.com</span></a><br> Purveyors to the Trade | Voice: +1 617-STD-WRLD | 800-THE-WRLD<br> The World: Since 1989 | A Public Information Utility | *oo*<br> _______________________________________________<br> At-Large mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><span style="color: purple;">At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</span></a><br> <a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large"><span style="color: purple;">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large</span></a><br> <br> At-Large Official Site:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://atlarge.icann.org/"><span style="color: purple;">http://atlarge.icann.org</span></a></span></p> </div> </blockquote> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span> </span></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 10.5pt;">_______________________________________________<br> At-Large mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br> <a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large</a><br> <br> At-Large Official Site: <a href="http://atlarge.icann.org">http://atlarge.icann.org</a></span></p> </div> </blockquote> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"> </p> </div> </div> </div> <br> <fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <br> <pre>_______________________________________________<br>At-Large mailing list<br><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large</a><br>At-Large Official Site: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://atlarge.icann.org">http://atlarge.icann.org</a></pre> </blockquote> <br> </div></body></html>