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Dear Michele,<br>
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I never imagined I'd have to defend a registry in a discussion with
you. :-)<br>
EuRID engaged with Registrars and clients in the UK even *before*
the Brexit Referendum so I cannot agree that it is not engaging
constructively. The rules are clear: you need to be an entity with
an address in the EU. <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/">https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/</a><br>
<br>
The majority vote in the UK has been to leave the EU. Blame the
voters not EuRID that had clear rules that preceded the UK vote.
Alternatively, open a subsidiary in an EU country and transfer the
domain name to it. It is not that costly, especially if the domain
name is so important.<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/08/2018 16:20, Michele Neylon -
Blacknight wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The change isn’t New
Year’s eve – it’d be March 2019<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The issue is that the EC
isn’t engaging constructively with registrars or our
clients, so it’s a total mess.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Allowing existing
registrants to keep their .eu domains would be the sanest
way forward, but the EC doesn’t seem to be willing to
discuss it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">And they’ve also started
some insane plan about expanding who can qualify for a .eu
domain name without any real thought into how that can be
made a reality.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Oh the fun<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><br>
Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Mr
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Personal
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style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">At-Large
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a> on behalf
of Roberto Gaetano <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com"><roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com></a><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday 20 August 2018 at 14:35<br>
<b>To: </b>Danko Jevtović <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:danko@jevtovic.rs"><danko@jevtovic.rs></a><br>
<b>Cc: </b>At-Large Worldwide
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [At-Large] A brexit problem that I
heard about<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Danko, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">About EURID, I stand corrected, it is the
EU who sets the rules. EURID only enforces them as operator.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I fully agree with you, it is all part of
the global package and nobody wants to start showing what
the possible compromise points will be. The problems, from
the operation’s point of view, is that in case of no
compromise they have to do the job overnight on New Year’s
Eve and that this will happen before the Brexit deadline, so
even if a negotiation will be successful in 2019 the TLD
changes could have been effective already.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A big mess, where, as usual, politics
dictates and common sense, once again, shows to be far less
“common” than we think.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Roberto<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 20.08.2018, at 13:53, Danko
Jevtović <<a href="mailto:danko@jevtovic.rs"
moz-do-not-send="true">danko@jevtovic.rs</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Roboto
Light",serif" lang="EN-GB">I understand
that it is not up to EURID, but to EC (European
Commission), that hold the contract with EURID
to manage to TLDs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Roboto
Light",serif" lang="EN-GB">The problem
seems to be that possible solution
(grandfathering clause) cannot be discussed
outside of the whole package of Brexit
negotiations, effectively blocking any
reasonable progress.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Roboto
Light",serif" lang="EN-GB">Danko</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Behalf Of<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Roberto
Gaetano<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
August 20, 2018 1:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span
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<b>Subject:</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[At-Large] A brexit problem that I heard
about</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hi Barry.<br>
You might have a point in principle.<br>
However the reality is that each TLD can
decide its own rules, and therefore whether to
be strict in terms of requirements - like for
instance .bank - or loose - like for instance
.com.<br>
.eu has chosen the first approach, and has all
right to do so. Whether EURID is willing to
make an exception for Brexit - based also on
the consideration that, as far as I know, they
do not make continuous checking about whether
the resistant still complies with the
requirements - or not, I don’t know.
Apparently not.<br>
Cheers,<br>
Roberto<br>
<br>
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17.08.2018, at 19:31,<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
href="mailto:bzs@theworld.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:purple">bzs@theworld.com</span></a><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br>
<br>
<br>
Ok I'll say it...<br>
<br>
How many of these affected *.EU domains were
actually entities with<br>
some sort of EU charter or relationship as
the TLD was approved for in<br>
2005?<br>
<br>
I realize it's naive to point out that .NET
was for networking<br>
organizations and .ORG for not-for-profits
etc. in a world where we<br>
have .XYZ and .FAIL (must they really be
FAILures?)<br>
<br>
Ok that ship has sailed because no one
wanted to enforce it as it<br>
would interfere with maximazing domain sales
in those TLDs.<br>
<br>
But are we really supposed to get lathered
up about those who now got<br>
burned flouting all that?<br>
<br>
What promise do those affected actually
expect to be upheld? Chapter<br>
and verse not "well, we assumed..."?<br>
<br>
And, no, marching out one or two bona-fide
examples doesn't quite rise<br>
to a counter argument.<br>
<br>
If there were only one or two or ten I'll
guess they could be handled<br>
since they would have always had a legitimae
reason to represent<br>
themselves with a .EU domain which one would
hope would allow them<br>
some explicit accommodation.<br>
<br>
--<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
-Barry Shein<br>
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