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    Dear Michele,<br>
    <br>
    I never imagined I'd have to defend a registry in a discussion with
    you. :-)<br>
    EuRID engaged with Registrars and clients in the UK even *before*
    the Brexit Referendum so I cannot agree that it is not engaging
    constructively. The rules are clear: you need to be an entity with
    an address in the EU. <br>
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/">https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/</a><br>
    <br>
    The majority vote in the UK has been to leave the EU. Blame the
    voters not EuRID that had clear rules that preceded the UK vote.
    Alternatively, open a subsidiary in an EU country and transfer the
    domain name to it. It is not that costly, especially if the domain
    name is so important.<br>
    Kindest regards,<br>
    <br>
    Olivier<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/08/2018 16:20, Michele Neylon -
      Blacknight wrote:<br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The change isn’t New
            Year’s eve – it’d be March 2019<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">The issue is that the EC
            isn’t engaging constructively with registrars or our
            clients, so it’s a total mess.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Allowing existing
            registrants to keep their .eu domains would be the sanest
            way forward, but the EC doesn’t seem to be willing to
            discuss it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">And they’ve also started
            some insane plan about expanding who can qualify for a .eu
            domain name without any real thought into how that can be
            made a reality.
            <o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Oh the fun<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><br>
            Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">--<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Mr
              Michele Neylon<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Blacknight
              Solutions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Hosting,
              Colocation & Domains<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.blacknight.com/">https://www.blacknight.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://blacknight.blog/">https://blacknight.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Intl.
              +353 (0) 59  9183072<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Direct
              Dial: +353 (0)59 9183090<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Personal
              blog: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://michele.blog/">https://michele.blog/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Some
              thoughts: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://ceo.hosting/">https://ceo.hosting/</a>
              <o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Blacknight
              Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business
              Park,Sleaty<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-GB">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93
            X265,Ireland  Company No.: 370845</span><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
                style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From: </span></b><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">At-Large
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a> on behalf
              of Roberto Gaetano <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com"><roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com></a><br>
              <b>Date: </b>Monday 20 August 2018 at 14:35<br>
              <b>To: </b>Danko Jevtović <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:danko@jevtovic.rs"><danko@jevtovic.rs></a><br>
              <b>Cc: </b>At-Large Worldwide
              <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a><br>
              <b>Subject: </b>Re: [At-Large] A brexit problem that I
              heard about<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal">Danko, <o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">About EURID, I stand corrected, it is the
            EU who sets the rules. EURID only enforces them as operator.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">I fully agree with you, it is all part of
            the global package and nobody wants to start showing what
            the possible compromise points will be. The problems, from
            the operation’s point of view, is that in case of no
            compromise they have to do the job overnight on New Year’s
            Eve and that this will happen before the Brexit deadline, so
            even if a negotiation will be successful in 2019 the TLD
            changes could have been effective already.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">A big mess, where, as usual, politics
            dictates and common sense, once again, shows to be far less
            “common” than we think.<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
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          <p class="MsoNormal">Roberto<o:p></o:p></p>
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            <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                <o:p></o:p></p>
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                  <p class="MsoNormal">On 20.08.2018, at 13:53, Danko
                    Jevtović <<a href="mailto:danko@jevtovic.rs"
                      moz-do-not-send="true">danko@jevtovic.rs</a>>
                    wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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                <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Roboto
                        Light",serif" lang="EN-GB">I understand
                        that it is not up to EURID, but to EC (European
                        Commission), that hold the contract with EURID
                        to manage to TLDs.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Roboto
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                        style="font-family:"Roboto
                        Light",serif" lang="EN-GB">The problem
                        seems to be that possible solution
                        (grandfathering clause) cannot be discussed
                        outside of the whole package of Brexit
                        negotiations, effectively blocking any
                        reasonable progress.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span
                          style="font-family:"Roboto
                          Light",serif" lang="EN-GB">Danko</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        style="font-family:"Roboto
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-GB">From:</span></b><span
                            class="apple-converted-space"><span
                              lang="EN-GB"> </span></span><span
                            lang="EN-GB">At-Large <<a
                              href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
                              Behalf Of<span
                                class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Roberto
                            Gaetano<br>
                            <b>Sent:</b><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,
                            August 20, 2018 1:09 PM<br>
                            <b>To:</b><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                              href="mailto:bzs@theworld.com"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">bzs@theworld.com</a><br>
                            <b>Cc:</b><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>At
                            Large
                            <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
                            [At-Large] A brexit problem that I heard
                            about</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Hi Barry.<br>
                          You might have a point in principle.<br>
                          However the reality is that each TLD can
                          decide its own rules, and therefore whether to
                          be strict in terms of requirements - like for
                          instance .bank - or loose - like for instance
                          .com.<br>
                          .eu has chosen the first approach, and has all
                          right to do so. Whether EURID is willing to
                          make an exception for Brexit - based also on
                          the consideration that, as far as I know, they
                          do not make continuous checking about whether
                          the resistant still complies with the
                          requirements - or not, I don’t know.
                          Apparently not.<br>
                          Cheers,<br>
                          Roberto<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                        </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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                        <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">On
                            17.08.2018, at 19:31,<span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a
                              href="mailto:bzs@theworld.com"
                              moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                style="color:purple">bzs@theworld.com</span></a><span
                              class="apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Ok I'll say it...<br>
                            <br>
                            How many of these affected *.EU domains were
                            actually entities with<br>
                            some sort of EU charter or relationship as
                            the TLD was approved for in<br>
                            2005?<br>
                            <br>
                            I realize it's naive to point out that .NET
                            was for networking<br>
                            organizations and .ORG for not-for-profits
                            etc. in a world where we<br>
                            have .XYZ and .FAIL (must they really be
                            FAILures?)<br>
                            <br>
                            Ok that ship has sailed because no one
                            wanted to enforce it as it<br>
                            would interfere with maximazing domain sales
                            in those TLDs.<br>
                            <br>
                            But are we really supposed to get lathered
                            up about those who now got<br>
                            burned flouting all that?<br>
                            <br>
                            What promise do those affected actually
                            expect to be upheld? Chapter<br>
                            and verse not "well, we assumed..."?<br>
                            <br>
                            And, no, marching out one or two bona-fide
                            examples doesn't quite rise<br>
                            to a counter argument.<br>
                            <br>
                            If there were only one or two or ten I'll
                            guess they could be handled<br>
                            since they would have always had a legitimae
                            reason to represent<br>
                            themselves with a .EU domain which one would
                            hope would allow them<br>
                            some explicit accommodation.<br>
                            <br>
                            --<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
                                  -Barry Shein<br>
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