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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>Hi, Karl and Roberto, </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>As I understand, even democracy itself is only a
"least bad" system. Thus, no matter it is one-man-one-vote, or it is a
multi-stakeholder structure, neither could be perfect. Furthermore, I
do not suppose a better answer could be found any time soon.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>However, as I see it, ICANN's beggest problem is (as
Karl put it): <FONT size=3>certain "stakeholder" groups have become rather more
powerful than others to the degree that one can fairly argue that ICANN is a
regulatory/governance body that has been captured by those who it purports to
regulate.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>Again, as I see it, this is the reason that so many
things could go wrong with ICANN. Therefore, if this is the case, what
should and could we do about it?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>Kaili</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com
href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com">Roberto Gaetano</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>To:</B> <A title=karl@cavebear.com
href="mailto:karl@cavebear.com">Karl Auerbach</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">At Large</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:21 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [At-Large] [lac-discuss-en]
Vistaprint is abandoning .vista</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Karl,
<DIV>My personal opinion is that the thorough explanation that you give about
an individual carrying different hats is exactly the explanation why the
individual vote will not work. That will oblige the individual to make a
synthesis of the different needs, opinions and contributions he/she has and
summarise this into one single vote, reducing the multiplicity of shades,
colors and sounds to one single statement. We will lose the palette to reduce
this to one single position or opinion that will summarise what is a variety
of interest into what is the major factor.</DIV>
<DIV>Time has passed but some might remember the change from the
constituency-based GNSO structure to the stakeholder-group-based one. My
argument, times and again, was that even one large company like IBM (I use
this example because I happen to have worked there for quite a long time)
cannot synthesise opinions and contributions to the policy development in one
single statement or vote. The legal department might have some ideas, the
marketing others, the developers others again, and so on. We are missing the
opportunity to take advantage of this plurality of contributions if we remain
stuck in the “old” constituency system that is resistant to change because it
is prisoner of the liturgy of the vote.</DIV>
<DIV>This is the essence of the problem, and if I understand correctly the
essence of our disagreement. I reject a system by which everything is reduced
to a vote, obliging the synthesis to be made at a local level by what would be
a variety of contributions that will be prevented from having room for
discussion.</DIV>
<DIV>I am a participant to the ICANN world with at least two hats: one as
Chair of the Board of a DNS Registry and one as long standing champion for
user participation (I am also a registrant, an occasional participant to
protocol definition, and more, but all this to a minor extent). I have
perfectly clear what is the interest of PIR and what is in the interest of an
individual user, and I want to be able to have a structure where, being member
of two different stakeholder group, I can participate and contribute in both
and not be obliged to make a choice or a vote silencing one part of my complex
personal ecosystem. Personally, I believe that (as I said at the moment of the
GNSO Review) if we want to change we need to transition from a state of mind
that is hostage to the obsession of the power of the vote into a state of mind
where what is important is the force of the ideas and the value of the
contributions - even contradictory. A global, equal, multi-stakeholder (GEMS)
system is, in my opinion, the only way to achieve that. If there are other new
systems, I am ready to discuss the matter, but the return to the old way of
reducing everything to a vote is not an alternative that is appealing to
me.</DIV>
<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>Roberto</DIV>
<DIV><BR>
<DIV><BR>
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<DIV>On 16.07.2018, at 21:18, Karl Auerbach <<A
href="mailto:karl@cavebear.com">karl@cavebear.com</A>> wrote:</DIV><BR
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<P>Roberto: As you know I've been in opposition to the "stakeholder" model
of governance since before ICANN was created. And as many foresaw way
back then, certain "stakeholder" groups have become rather more powerful
than others to the degree that one can fairly argue that ICANN is a
regulatory/governance body that has been captured by those who it purports
to regulate.</P>
<P>Let us not forget that when ICANN was created promises were made that a
majority of the seats on the board of directors would be chosen by the
public. That promise remains unfulfilled. The community of
internet users ought to have a loud and commanding voice in ICANN yet the
stakeholder model has left the community of internet users with little more
than an easily ignored whisper.<BR></P>
<P>One of the things that amuses me, or concerns me, is that stakeholder
thinking tend to pre-conceive what a given person or thing might be
interested in - in other words, it ordains, without ever consulting the
person involved, where a person's "stake" lays. That kind of
top-down-imposition is, well, not very bottom-up.</P>
<P>Let's look at my own case. Which "stakeholder" pigeon hole box
should I be stuffed into? Or, should I be allowed to operated as
several "stakeholders" and thus (unfairly) multiply my voice?<BR></P>
<P> - I am an individual</P>
<P> - I own for profit business corporations (both as a founder or as
a shareholder.)<BR></P>
<P> - I am a member of public-interest groups.</P>
<P> - I live in a country (and citizen of two.)<BR></P>
<P> - I and my corporations register domain names.</P>
<P> - I and my corporations have trademarks, copyrights, patents and
other intellectual property.</P>
<P> - I and my corporations have public IP address space (allocated
from Jon Postel, not by the RIRs.)</P>
<P> - I am an attorney who is involved in intellectual property
matters.<BR></P>
<P> - I have written full internet standards that continue wide use on
a daily basis.</P>
<P> - I have property (partial ownership) interests in domain name
registries and registrars of ICANN granted TLDs.<BR></P>
<P>I am hardly unique in this way. Every person is a bundle of
interests that are often at odds with one another. It ought to be up
to each individual to reconcile these interests, to formulate a vote based
on a self-made evaluation of which personal interest is more important and
ought to prevail. Stakeholderism deprives people of the right to
reconcile their interests; stakeholderism imposes an externally pre-made
decision onto that person about what are that person's most important
concerns.<BR></P>
<P>Stuffing me into one stakeholder box or another the organization (or
whoever is creating that taxonomy) is a Procrustean act that arbitrarily
pre-decides which of my interests best express my views.</P>
<P>Stakeholderism, like Procrustes, chops off our arms and stretches our
legs in order to make each of us fit onto whatever iron bed the organization
feels is most appropriate.<BR></P>
<P>(For those of you who wonder about "Procrustean" - here's the wikipedia
page <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procrustes">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Procrustes</A>
)<BR></P>
<P>I suggest that the atomic unit of interest is the individual human
being. And as a consequence, the only thing that should have a
countable vote in matters of internet governance are individual human
beings. Anything else, corporations, domain name owners, intellectual
property warriors, etc ought to have no voting authority - but will, of
course, retain the power to articulate arguments to try to convince
individual people to use their vote in certain ways.</P>
<P> --karl--</P>
<P><BR></P><BR>
<DIV class=moz-cite-prefix>On 7/16/18 8:28 AM, Roberto Gaetano
wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE cite=mid:641840EE-03E8-4828-9342-3FBFAFD518ED@hotmail.com
type="cite">It is of course a risk that the multi-stakeholder model be
tilted towards the interests of one part of the stakeholders - this is
why, incidentally, Fadi was talking about *global* *equal*
multi-stakeholder (“GEMS") model.
<DIV>That there is a potential corruption of the model is no good reason
for rejecting it, in particular in lack of a better system. So I would
argue that the way to go is to make sure that the voice of the different
stakeholders compose with the requirement of being “global” (meaning all
have a chance to get to the table) and “equal” (meaning all have the same
voice).</DIV>
<DIV>In practice, civil society, because of the inherent limitations about
financial power, should be subsidised to participate, and civil society
itself has to make sure that it avoids infiltration of lobbyists among its
rank and file.</DIV>
<DIV>Cheers,</DIV>
<DIV>R</DIV>
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<DIV>On 16.07.2018, at 00:05, <A href="mailto:bzs@theworld.com"
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July 16, 2018 at 01:48<SPAN
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href="mailto:6.Internet@gmail.com"
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M) wrote:</SPAN><BR
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type="cite"><BR><BR>On Mon, Jul 16, 2018, 12:16 AM <<A
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wrote:<BR><BR><BR> Multistakeholderism is open to all
-- like the Ritz Hotel.<BR><BR><BR>( Understand that it is an anology
that isn't perfect). Going by this anology,<BR>it merely requires a
simple, very simple fix: Reserve a third of the hotel
by<BR>unconditional funding to the stakeholder group that can't afford
it, and to<BR>anyone relatively less privileges even from within even
the wealthier<BR>stakeholder groups. Then we will find the elusive
balance.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR
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was thinking of how it exists, specifically ICANN, rather than
some</SPAN><BR
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implementation.</SPAN><BR
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problem is that there is no tie-in (GAC possibly excepted but
they</SPAN><BR
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advisory) between those who participate and those who are
affected</SPAN><BR
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the various policy development processes.</SPAN><BR
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in theory anyone, even the poorest internet user, could simply
buy</SPAN><BR
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plane tickets and hotel rooms etc and participate in the</SPAN><BR
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the actual way it's organized one would likely have to do that</SPAN><BR
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times per year for a few years to rise to any level of</SPAN><BR
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beyond open mikes.</SPAN><BR
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it's open to anyone! Much like the Ritz Hotel.</SPAN><BR
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no accident that multistakeholderism has been referred to as</SPAN><BR
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which is "of, by, and for the lobbyists"*.</SPAN><BR
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a nutshell get rid of anything remotely resembling popularly</SPAN><BR
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voting members (even indirectly) and just let the big</SPAN><BR
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registrars, and others with financial interests be the</SPAN><BR
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and do all the policy development and approval.</SPAN><BR
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one can identify the occasional exception to that.</SPAN><BR
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That point was essentially on the wikipedia page for</SPAN><BR
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under "Criticisms" but disappeared about a year or</SPAN><BR
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ago.</SPAN><BR
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those who would be lobbyists become</SPAN><BR
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and nobody else has a vote. Lehto states that "In a</SPAN><BR
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it is a scandal when lobbyists have so much influence</SPAN><BR
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they write the drafts of laws. But in multistakeholder</SPAN><BR
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they take that scandal to a whole new level: those who</SPAN><BR
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be lobbyists in a democracy (corporations, experts, civil</SPAN><BR
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become the legislators themselves, and dispense with all</SPAN><BR
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elections and not only write the laws but pass them,</SPAN><BR
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them, and in some cases even set up courts of arbitration</SPAN><BR
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are usually conditioned on waiving the right to go to the</SPAN><BR
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system set up by democracies. A vote is just a minimum</SPAN><BR
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of justice. Without a vote, law is just force</SPAN><BR
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