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--></style></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink="#954F72"><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal>Carlos,</p><p class=MsoNormal>In my view, unless we can directly align the distinct notions of ‘public interest’ and ‘private business interests’ then it cannot be the obligation of ICANN to create a cushioned landing for a business (in a free market context) that opts to pursue a TLD. </p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><br>==<br>Bart</p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div style='mso-element:para-border-div;border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='border:none;padding:0in'><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se">Carlos Raul Gutierrez</a><br><b>Sent: </b>Saturday, July 14, 2018 9:46 AM<br><b>To: </b><a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">Seun Ojedeji</a><br><b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">At-Large Worldwide</a><br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [At-Large] Vistaprint is abandoning .vista</p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Dear Seun,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>I strongly disagree with your "winner takes all" evaluation. My basic premise was that ICANN was a non-for-porfit public interst dreiven organzation. Not a Pyramid business. But I'm here to learn.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>---<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'><a href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>+506 8837 7176<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>Aparatado 1571-1000<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>COSTA RICA<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>El 2018-07-14 12:53, Seun Ojedeji escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 5.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Sent from my mobile<br>Kindly excuse brevity and typos<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>On Sat, 14 Jul 2018, 09:12 Carlos Raul Gutierrez, <<a href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Thanks Michele!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Even if it has zero registrations, ICANN made a nice chunk of income out of it. Should they get their money back?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>SO: Did they not make a business decision, afterall they were not forced to apply. However wrong it might be, it was their choice and their loss, hence a refund should be moot. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Cheers!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in'><div><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>---<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'><a href="mailto:carlosraul@gutierrez.se">carlosraul@gutierrez.se</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>+506 8837 7176<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>Aparatado 1571-1000<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>COSTA RICA<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>El 2018-07-11 10:27, Michele Neylon - Blacknight escribió:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 5.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-right:0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Carlton<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>It's a .brand – zero "normal" registrants or users will be impacted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>If it was a TLD with actual registrations then it would be a totally different matter, but it isn't.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Regards <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>--</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span 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style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><strong><span style='font-size:12.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></strong><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black'>At-Large <<a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> on behalf of Carlton Samuels <<a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a>><br><strong>Date: </strong>Tuesday 10 July 2018 at 21:10<br><strong>To: </strong>At-Large Worldwide <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>, "<a href="mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org">lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org">lac-discuss-en@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br><strong>Subject: </strong>[At-Large] Vistaprint is abandoning .vista</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Maybe we should track these 'returns/abandonments' and in context, [re]read the recommendations of the Subsequent Procedures WG? </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>Saw a story of a domain investor account of his return on investment so far; he's in the red with diminishing prospects. </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>On top of these kind of stories that speak to the conditions in the end user market and the 'retired and/or abandoned gLTDs, it just seems 'otherworldly' to me that in all the happy talk of new rounds, this idea that demand has something to do with markets is largely left unmentioned. Helluva thing!</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'><a href="https://domainnamewire.com/2018/07/10/vistaprint-drops-vista-top-level-domain/" target="_blank">https://domainnamewire.com/2018/07/10/vistaprint-drops-vista-top-level-domain/</a></span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>-Carlton</span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:18.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> </span><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><br>==============================<br></span><em><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Carlton A Samuels</span></em><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><br></span><em><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Mobile: 876-818-1799</span></em><i><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><br><em><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#33CC00'>Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround</span></em></span></i><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><br>=============================<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Courier New"'>_______________________________________________<br>At-Large mailing list<br><a href="mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br><a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large" target="_blank">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large</a><br><br>At-Large Official Site: <a href="http://atlarge.icann.org" target="_blank">http://atlarge.icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:4.8pt'><span style='font-family:"Times New Roman",serif'>_______________________________________________<br>At-Large mailing list<br><a href="mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br><a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large" target="_blank">https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large</a><br><br>At-Large Official Site: <a href="http://atlarge.icann.org" target="_blank">http://atlarge.icann.org</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>