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<p>Thanks for the the compliment.</p>
<p>Here's a pointer to that note: <br>
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<p><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.cavebear.com/archive/rw/igf-democracy-in-internet-governance.pdf">https://www.cavebear.com/archive/rw/igf-democracy-in-internet-governance.pdf</a></p>
<p>However, among all of the things that I've written about internet
governance I believe that the following is the most important:</p>
<p>First Law of the Internet<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.cavebear.com/old_cbblog/000059.html">https://www.cavebear.com/old_cbblog/000059.html</a><br>
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+ Every person shall be free to use the Internet in any way that<br>
is privately beneficial without being publicly detrimental.<br>
<br>
- The burden of demonstrating public detriment shall be on
those<br>
who wish to prevent the private use.<br>
<br>
- Such a demonstration shall require clear and convincing<br>
evidence of public detriment.<br>
<br>
- The public detriment must be of such degree and extent as<br>
to justify the suppression of the private activity.</p>
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<p> --karl--<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/14/18 7:50 AM, Carlton Samuels
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to see you in this conversation Karl. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default"
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those who don't know Karl Auerbach, my first deep dive into
the ICANN phenomenon found me reading Karl Auerbach and
Michael Froomkin. Over the years since 2007, I've had several
conversations with Karl on numerous topics. Those interactions
have always been illuminating and thought-provoking. </div>
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those of you who might wish to deepen your understanding of
the ICANN phenomenon, I would also recommend Auerbach's paper
"Stakeholderism - The Wrong Road for Internet Governance". </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 9:51 PM Karl Auerbach
<<a href="mailto:karl@cavebear.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">karl@cavebear.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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Carlton, you are as sane and clear eyed as you have always
been. Yes, <br>
ICANN quacks like a regulatory body and walks like a
regulatory body.<br>
<br>
(Which I guess means that ICANN is a duck?)<br>
<br>
I agree with you that ICANN regulates - it controls,
allocates, revokes, <br>
and levies fees. It also shares some other attributes with
regulatory <br>
bodies: It is effectively unavoidable and its decisions have
ripples <br>
that go far beyond those whose actions are directly shaped by
the body.<br>
<br>
As Even L. pointed out ICANN may have legal reasons to try to
fend away <br>
the word "regulator". That's not surprising, but that kind of
wordplay <br>
is approaching an exercise of Orwellian Newspeak. And it's
nothing new <br>
to ICANN: back in year 2000 they tried to label a thing that
was clearly <br>
an "election" as something else called a "selection" in an
attempt to <br>
evade California laws regarding the obligations of
non-profit/public <br>
benefit corporations.<br>
<br>
One has to wonder why are intelligent people so afraid to use
a <br>
description that so clearly applies?<br>
<br>
Well, perhaps it is because there is fear of that word
reviving a long <br>
unanswered question.<br>
<br>
As you mention, ICANN shapes internet domain name policies and
<br>
economics, and even charges "fees" that everyone would agree
would be <br>
called "taxes" if levied by a governmental body.<br>
<br>
A better way to put this is to say that ICANN restrains some
trade and <br>
encourages other trade. I used that former phrase because it
tends to <br>
raise the question of "what provides ICANN with immunity from
anti-trust <br>
laws"?<br>
<br>
This paper from year 2003 still remains largely unanswered: <br>
<a
href="http://osaka.law.miami.edu/%7Efroomkin/articles/icann-antitrust.pdf"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">http://osaka.law.miami.edu/~froomkin/articles/icann-antitrust.pdf</a><br>
<br>
By-the-way, with regard to the vistaprint TLD and the
discussion of <br>
ICANN application fees - I went through the round a few years
ago and <br>
did the better part of 100 applications, with each being an
almost <br>
identical application with only a couple of pages of different
marketing <br>
info. Yet we got hit with the full $185,000 charge for each
one of <br>
those even though the review for each was essentially
identical. It <br>
made me feel that as between ICANN and a highway robber saying
"stand <br>
and deliver" that the latter was less blameworthy.<br>
<br>
--karl--<br>
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On 07/13/2018 05:44 PM, Carlton Samuels wrote:<br>
> It really isn't a personal opinion; the facts are
undeniable by virtue <br>
> of the admitted regulatory signs.<br>
> <br>
> It is in ICANN's power to gift a resource, set the
requirements by which <br>
> one can be gifted, set the rules for use of resource,
charge and punish <br>
> violations of the rules as appropriate and exact a fee
for gifting that <br>
> resource. Anywhere else in Christendom and the known
sensate world, <br>
> those activities are the very definition of a regulator.<br>
> <br>
> ICANN has managed to convince itself and would wish to
make <br>
> accommodating idiots of the rest of us because it is
politically <br>
> difficult to do otherwise. I get the politics of it. But
to ask me to <br>
> deny the evidence of my two lying eyes and what is
plainly the case in <br>
> reason and judgment is a bridge too far. The Christian
bible has a line <br>
> in it "in Christ all things are possible". I would add a
caution to that <br>
> declaration: Save and except to take me for an idiot.<br>
> <br>
> -Carlton<br>
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> On Fri, Jul 13, 2018 at 4:13 PM Kan Kaili <<a
href="mailto:kankaili@gmail.com" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">kankaili@gmail.com</a> <br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:kankaili@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">kankaili@gmail.com</a>>>
wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Indeed Goran has said "ICANN is not a regulator" many
times. I have<br>
> heard him saying that myself. However, this is
something I disagree<br>
> with him.<br>
> <br>
> Again, in my personal opinion, as long as the
positioning of ICANN<br>
> stays blurry as it is now, the confusion will only
accumulate until<br>
> it creats a crisis.<br>
> <br>
> Kaili<br>
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> > On 12-07-18 19:56, Kan Kaili wrote:<br>
> >> In my opinion, ICANN should play the role
of a regulator.<br>
> ><br>
> > Our esteemed CEO, Göran Marby, has a number of
phrases he repeats<br>
> > fairly often. "ICANN is not a regulator" is one
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