<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Alejandro<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Your analysis of the diversity of the organizations in size and function and your list of what ALSs should be assessed for are both on point. It is always important that the actual characteristics of the members ship and the purposes be accurately reflected.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I will bring them to the working for updating NARALO’s Rules and Procedures, although the RALO’s generally cannot create their own list of assessments. I may be worng about that.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">John More</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 13, 2017, at 10:31 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <<a href="mailto:apisan@unam.mx" class="">apisan@unam.mx</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; direction: ltr; font-family: 'Courier New'; font-size: 10pt;" class="">John,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">indeed the size of the organizations varies widely. That is one of the facts that guided the design.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Some organizations may claim to have 150,000 members and others 50. The Web-of-trust concept applies first to obtain some certainty about the validity of these claims. The vetting process allows for that too. And you more or less know, at least within the region of the RALO, whom you are actually speaking with. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Another significant point against Dev's and in general "ICANN chapter" designs is that ALSs are diverse in another sense: functional diversity. Some would be primarily engineering or technical organizations (though in practice most of these abhor the At Large), others are lawyers' associations, others are primarily oriented to the defense of consumer or other rights, etc. This is one of the design principles that has more or less panned out.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We could do much better if we assessed ALSes for 1. fit under ICANN's mission, 2. ability to represent or transmit users concerns, 3. relevant activity - and repeat this assessment periodically. 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font-size: 16px;" class=""><hr tabindex="-1" class=""><div id="divRpF827056" style="direction: ltr;" class=""><font face="Tahoma" size="2" class=""><b class="">Desde:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" class="">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" class="">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>] en nombre de John Laprise [<a href="mailto:jlaprise@gmail.com" class="">jlaprise@gmail.com</a>]<br class=""><b class="">Enviado el:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>lunes, 13 de febrero de 2017 14:47<br class=""><b class="">Hasta:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>'ALAC Working List'; 'At-Large Worldwide'<br class=""><b class="">Asunto:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Idea for an alternative to the EMM proposed in the At-Large Review<br class=""></font><br class=""></div><div class=""></div><div class=""><div class="WordSection1"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><a name="_MailEndCompose" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I think we</span></a><span class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt;" class="">’</span></span><span class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">re missing a point that the report inadvertently revealed and which it is trying to indirectly address.</span></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The RALOs are all very, very different. Size, state of the Internet, and concerns of the region, not to mention the governments that tend to be prevalent. Creating a one size fits all type of RALO will be hard. If we seek to restructure the concept of RALOs, the new structure has to address the diverse ecosystems that exist within these geographical areas.</span></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span></p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Garamond, serif;" class="">Best regards,</span></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Garamond, serif;" class=""> </span></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 16pt; font-family: Garamond, serif;" class="">John Laprise, Ph.D.</span></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Garamond, serif;" class="">Consulting Scholar</span></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Garamond, serif;" class=""> </span></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span class=""></span><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class=""><span class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Garamond, serif; color: rgb(5, 99, 193);" class="">http://www.linkedin.com/in/jplaprise/</span></span><span class=""></span></a><span class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Garamond, serif;" class=""></span></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Garamond, serif;" class=""> </span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family: Garamond, serif;" class=""> </span></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> </span></span></p><span class=""></span><div class=""><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><b class=""><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" class="">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" class="">mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class="">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Javier Rua<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, February 13, 2017 2:31 PM<br class=""><b class="">To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>John R. Levine <<a href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com" class="">johnl@iecc.com</a>><br class=""><b class="">Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ALAC Working List <<a href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org" class="">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>; At-Large Worldwide <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" class="">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br class=""><b class="">Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Idea for an alternative to the EMM proposed in the At-Large Review</span></div></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </p><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">Two sovereign states. "A country may be an independent sovereign state or one that is occupied by another state, as a non-sovereign or formerly sovereign political division, or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated people with distinct political characteristics." <a href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country</a><br class=""><br class="">Javier Rúa-Jovet</div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </p></div><div class=""><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">+1-787-396-6511</div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">twitter: @javrua</div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">skype: javier.rua1</div></div><div class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><span style="" class=""><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://www.linkedin.com/in/javrua</a> </span></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </p></div></div></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><br class="">On Feb 13, 2017, at 4:24 PM, John R. Levine <<a href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">johnl@iecc.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div class=""><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">There are 8 territories in NA region</div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><br class="">These are countries:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">* Canada</div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">* United States</div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><br class="">These are US territories whcih for historical reasons have ISO 3166 codes:<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">* American Samoa</div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">* Guam</div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">* Northern Mariana Islands</div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">* Puerto Rico</div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">* United States Minor Outlying Islands</div></blockquote><blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class="">* Virgin Islands, U.S.</div></blockquote><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=""><br class="">The minor outlying islands are uninahbited, the rest other than Puerto Rico are tiny with a combined population less than Wyoming, the smallest US state.<br class=""><br class="">Really, there are two countries in the NA region, the US and Canada. It is vanishingly unlikely there will ever be an ALS from any US territory other than Puerto Rico because they are so small.<br class=""><br class="">Canada also has three thinly populated territories but since they are contiguous with the rest of Canada, ISO 3166 never noticed them.<br class=""><br class="">Canada is divided into provinces and the US into states, but in both countries the large provinces and states are vastly larger than the smallest ones so they're not a very good way to subdivide, either.<br class=""><br class="">We now return you to whatever we were talking about before.<br class=""><br class="">R's,<br class="">John<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">At-Large mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br class=""><a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large" target="_blank" style="color: purple; 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