<div dir="ltr">I see what you mean Eduardo. <div><br></div><div>For example, one chapter per country would limit the number of voting chapters at election time for some regions... . How many countries in NARALO? I think there are over 70 in APRALO.</div><div><br></div><div>Will regions have to be changed to allow for more equitable distribution of country chapters? I am sure that Cheryl would love to start that discussion over again... NOT!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 5:41 AM, Eduardo Diaz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com" target="_blank">eduardodiazrivera@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I lik ethe idea but need more thinking in its implementation.<div><br></div><div>For one, by-laws (or something similar) are needed, specially when it come to vote for the regional representatives. We need to think if organization can become members of these chapters an so on. There could be one chapter per country with one vote per country in the region. Still you need to manage all the chapters in the region. Just thinking out loud.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>-ed</div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 10:52 AM Maureen Hilyard <<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank">maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">I like your idea of ICANN chapters within a country or perhaps a subregion of a large country.<div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">As an ex-Pres of our Rotary Chapter, I find the Rotary concept interesting, but it does set a model that would encourage a wider opportunity for outreach as well as education and training, and policy input at a country level.. and all organised by the members. Rotary is also self-funding but with the opportunity to get funding from the parent body for special projects. </div><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">But it would also mobilise large groups of individual members who at least have a lot of things in common already as a starting point - language and culture,socio-politics, shared internet environment, etc</div><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">Sounds a little like the Internet Society of China model with everyone in one country under one umbrella. </div><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 4:04 AM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <span dir="ltr" class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:devtee@gmail.com" class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg" target="_blank">devtee@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">Here's an idea for an alternative proposal for At-Large to the EMM model proposed in the At-Large Review<br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">My thoughts - The proposed EMM has flaws. Some immediate ones :<br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">- it destroys the community and with that, the consensus building of community with replacement <br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">of
individuals with even less ties to the public community. Such
individuals will promote and collude with other individuals to keep
themselves in the loop. Also, with many of the policy discussions in
GNSO being English, this permanently eliminates persons from
developing/emerging economies from non-English from ever participating.<br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">- given that any individual could already participate in GNSO, we would be no different from such random individuals <br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">-
it removes the mandate on oversight and accountability on ICANN
activities from end user interests<br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div>- a thousand individuals in one large country will
override 10 individuals from a small country so there will be less
diversity in the EMM model only from those countries with large number of
individuals. <br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">- Nomcom appointees to ALAC new to ICANN will serve as Liasions to other groups is not sensible <br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div>There are many more problems but I want to focus on a IMO a better At-Large model than the EMM one:<br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">- ICANN establishes At-Large Chapters in each country similiar in concept to Rotary or ISOC chapters. <br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">- each chapter is open to anyone interested in ICANN from the interests of end users.<br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">-
ICANN can set guidelines for each chapter - some examples: must do certain level of
outreach, have term limits, have a public F2F awareness meeting to recruit new
persons. ICANN would need to provide some funding to make this happen
but this would be small and the chapters can account to ICANN for
expenses. <br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">- ICANN can provide the tools (mailing lists, conference tools) to facilitate online discussions.</div>- Because there is a consistent brand - At-Large Chapter in the country, marketing/promoting is <br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">greatly simplified and easier to explain. <br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">-
Given that such chapters are virtual, it makes chapters easy to
establish with only a few individuals from a country without the
challenges of having formal organisations with bylaws and pay taxes.<br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"> <br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">So an At-Large chapter ends up being a virtual ALS in each country in the ALAC/RALO/ALS model. <br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div><div class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">The
RALOs will consist of the chapters from each country in the region with
each chapter electing two persons to coordinate the RALO work. The RALO
will be better positioned to better fulfil its MOUs with ICANN and the
RALO and ALAC would not have to bother with analysing whether an
organisation meets the criteria of an ALS.<br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div>The
At-Large chapters will be better able to network with At-Large chapters
in other countries and build consensus on policy issues and help promote
and grow the At-Large Community.<div class="m_-5872929592250871828m_-4715654485677494430m_3628462047479130250gmail-yj6qo m_-5872929592250871828m_-4715654485677494430m_3628462047479130250gmail-ajU m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><div id="m_-5872929592250871828m_-4715654485677494430m_3628462047479130250gmail-:u6" class="m_-5872929592250871828m_-4715654485677494430m_3628462047479130250gmail-ajR m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><img class="m_-5872929592250871828m_-4715654485677494430m_3628462047479130250gmail-ajT m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg" src="https://ssl.gstatic.com/ui/v1/icons/mail/images/cleardot.gif"><br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"><br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">---<br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div><div id="m_-5872929592250871828m_-4715654485677494430m_3628462047479130250gmail-:u6" class="m_-5872929592250871828m_-4715654485677494430m_3628462047479130250gmail-ajR m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg">Dev Anand<br class="m_-5872929592250871828gmail_msg"></div></div></div></div>
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