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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body bgcolor=white lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Dear Olivier, none of my comments or questions were answered. I think most of all comments have not been answered, even before the first draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>Alberto<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'>De:</span></b><span lang=ES style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext'> at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] <b>En nombre de </b>Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond<br><b>Enviado el:</b> Sunday, February 5, 2017 6:39 PM<br><b>Para:</b> ALAC Working List <alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org>; At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org><br><b>Asunto:</b> [At-Large] Fwd: Re: [Chapter-delegates] New version of ICANN At-Large Review - ISOC Chapters role and future<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>Dear all,<br><br>FYI -- a response from me, to a thread that came up on the ISOC Chapter leaders mailing list.<br>The topic is specifically the downgrading of At-Large Structures by equalling them to individual membership. With many chapters as At-Large Structures, the Internet Society Chapters would be affected.<br><br>BTW -- as part of the At-Large Review working group, I submitted over 100 comments on the original document that was presented by the consultants to the Review working group. It appears that most of my comments were ignored. I plan to comment further - when I find the time to do so - and would be happy to contribute to an ALAC comment.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Kindest regards,<br><br>Olivier<br><br>ps. I admit that I am one of the "big-mouthed" people. :-)<br><br>-------- Forwarded Message -------- <o:p></o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>Subject: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Re: [Chapter-delegates] New version of ICANN At-Large Review - ISOC Chapters role and future<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>Date: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Sun, 5 Feb 2017 01:37:05 +0100<o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>From: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"><ocl@gih.com></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>To: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>Alejandro Pisanty <a href="mailto:apisanty@gmail.com"><apisanty@gmail.com></a>, Richard Hill <a href="mailto:rhill@hill-a.ch"><rhill@hill-a.ch></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr><tr><td nowrap valign=top style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal align=right style='text-align:right'><b>CC: <o:p></o:p></b></p></td><td style='padding:0in 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal>ISOC Chapter Delegates <a href="mailto:chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org"><chapter-delegates@elists.isoc.org></a><o:p></o:p></p></td></tr></table><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>On 04/02/2017 21:01, Alejandro Pisanty wrote:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> Problems like capture by a few individuals will not be solved and in<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>> fact most likely will be aggravated by the "enhanced membership model."<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>The Review carries anonymous quotes from people who dislike the fact<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>that At-Large and the ALAC are standing in their way to turn ICANN into<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>a domain name business association. Bringing the input of Internet end<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>users to ICANN's technically and legally super-complex processes is a<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>very hard task indeed. I know - I chaired that process for 4 years and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to say that it was challenging is an understatement. But the current<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>structure of At-Large which has several tiers for hierarchy of "control"<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>but an entirely open bottom-up model where everybody is allowed to<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>attend any meeting or call and to participate and to voice their<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>opinion, actually provides for a stable environment with stable<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>processes which can actually help in reaching consensus and getting the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ALAC to act. That is exactly the thing that bothers other parts of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ICANN: that the ALAC is slowly but surely, over time, surmounting the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>largest hurdle to a multi-stakeholder system which is to get the input<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>of the real end users out there - and that it is doing so with renewed<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>harmony and proven bottom-up processes.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Instead, as Alejandro mentions, the Review asks for a return to an<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>unstable, free for all, system based only on individual members speaking<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>for themselves only, a system that was shown to fail miserably as it<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>generates conflict with no safeguards whatsoever and favours those with<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>a bigger mouth than anyone else. The ICANN version 1 experiment failed<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>noticeably in the early 2000s, with ballot stuffing in wide practice and<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>mailing lists that were filled with flame wars fuelled by socio-paths. I<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>remember that so well: having been subscribed to the early DNSO (Domain<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Name Support Association) mailing list, I quickly got sick of the daily<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>dose of venom from psychos that should have been interned, un-subscribed<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>myself and, after the failed At-Large elections which I predicted were<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>going to fail, removed myself completely from having anything to do with<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>ICANN until it had a meeting in Paris in 2008.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>The Review is deeply flawed in that it is not an analysis of At-Large<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>and the ALAC. On the contrary, it is a collection of opinions, many of<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>them deeply flawed or factually wrong, and recommendations derived from<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>these flawed opinions. Good opinions of At-Large were ditched and only<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>criticism was kept, whether warranted or unwarranted. It is a lynching<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>of reality and I give it as much truth as the flawed populist campaigns<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>the world has recently seen, thus predicting an equally gruesome future<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>for At-Large.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>By following the mantra "Let's make At-Large great again", the reviewers<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>are actually proposing to kill it.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Kindest regards,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre><pre>Olivier<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>(own opinions)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>As an Internet Society Chapter Officer you are automatically subscribed<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>to this list, which is regularly synchronized with the Internet Society<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>Chapter Portal (AMS): <a href="https://portal.isoc.org">https://portal.isoc.org</a><o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p> </o:p></pre></div></div></body></html>