<div dir="ltr"><div>Olivier echos exactly my point! (re: GAC only seem to have used the "more reliable" means available to them).<br><br></div>Regards<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 8:54 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com" target="_blank">ocl@gih.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Julf,<br>
<br>
I hear you. This is a classic case of forum shopping.<br>
<br>
But this ongoing incident takes us to the core of how ICANN is organised<br>
in its SOs and ACs.<br>
The AoC Review process addresses each SO/AC individually. It then<br>
includes an ATRT Review, but is there a process that looks at the<br>
overall ICANN structure and whether that kind of structure works?<br>
<br>
Advisory Committees are able to report their findings and<br>
recommendations to the Board. In the past, the Board has had to balance<br>
stakeholder input and make a decision. With the Accountability process,<br>
some parts of the community have been led to believe that policy that<br>
reached consensus in a PDP is unalterable and the Board needs to rubber<br>
stamp it. That would make any advisory committee obsolete.<br>
<br>
Irrespective of the actual discussion topic, we need an ICANN-wide<br>
discussion on the place of SOs and ACs. We also need to know whether the<br>
balance of stakeholders has been affected by the recent CCWG<br>
Accountability recommendations and by-law changes.<br>
<br>
Putting the blame on such and such a type of stakeholder is, in my<br>
opinion, not productive. The restrictions on individual GAC<br>
representatives taking part in GNSO PDPs are well known. The underlying<br>
politics within the GAC (back in the the member countries of the GAC)<br>
are complex. The topic itself has been poisoning the atmosphere for a<br>
while. The GAC Chair is raising the sword of Damocles... and whether we<br>
like it or not, a negotiation is going to be needed... because<br>
governments have nuclear weapons and the private sector and civil<br>
society do not. The wild west where we are completely able to decide on<br>
our own destiny is a dusty illusion.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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On 01/11/2016 21:20, Johan Helsingius wrote:<br>
> Evan,<br>
><br>
>> At the threat of being an ICANN heretic (and it wouldn't be the first<br>
>> time), I'm on the side of the governments here.<br>
> Unfortunately, as so often with ICANN, the battle is not about<br>
> the actual IGO name issue, but about the proper process to<br>
> determine it. What this really is about is the way the organisations<br>
> refused to participate in the proper GNSO process (despite being<br>
> invited to), but instead going to GAC and the ICANN board,<br>
> as they thought that would be an easier way to get what they<br>
> wanted. Do we want to encourage using government power as a<br>
> leverage to bypass multistakeholder community processes?<br>
><br>
> Julf<br>
><br>
> [Disclosure: I sit on the GNSO council, appointed by the NomCom. I have<br>
> no business connection with the "domain industry"]<br>
><br>
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