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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">John Horton <john.horton@legitscript.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Monday 13 June 2016 at 12:29<br>
<b>To: </b>Michele Neylon <michele@blacknight.com><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Garth Bruen <gbruen@knujon.com>, Derek Smythe <derek@aa419.org>, At-Large Worldwide <at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [At-Large] Online sale of fake medicines and products targeted in INTERPOL operation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#444444">Hi all. I'm not sure whether I'll get bounced back rom the at-large mailing list, so feel free to forward if so. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#444444">LegitScript's experience over the last several years has been that most registrars now voluntarily suspend domain names that we designate as rogue Internet pharmacies. The criteria there is
that the domain name's sole or primary purpose is to illegally sell pharmaceuticals, nearly always without a prescription and also nearly always based on the drugs being falsified, unapproved or in some other way substandard. Rogues also lack valid pharmacy
licensure as legally required. These are all public health threats. This includes not only most registrars in the US but worldwide. LegitScript has expressed our appreciation to the registrar and registry community -- more accurately, the majority of that
community -- for their commitment to a safer Internet. There's a long list of these registrars, which includes the larger ones like GoDaddy, eNom/Rightside, Directi, Name.com and others, as well as smaller ones like Blacknight (huge in Ireland, though!), Dynadot,
AlphaNames and most others. There are others about which we've expressed concerns in the past that are now very responsive and take a serious approach to abuse complaints involving rogue Internet pharmacies, and I think that the anti-abuse community does well
to recognize and appreciate the evolution of those approaches. In direct answer, I would say that "a lot" means...I don't know. 80%? 90%? Not all registrars ever have a rogue Internet pharmacy, but there's probably well over 100 registrars that we have to
notify from time to time and who act on those notifications. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#444444">However, most registrars is not all registrars. Criminals are rational economic actors, and it stands to reason that they will carefully select a registrar that they believe, rightly or wrongly,
will protect them from LegitScript or law enforcement notifications. There's also an emerging business model here: charge more for protection. Although this is a small minority of registrars, in my view, it's a serious problem. In some cases, we're aware that
the registrar has a special financial arrangement with the rogue Internet pharmacy network. In other cases, the rogue Internet pharmacy network is the registrar. For example, Nanjing Imperious, a registrar ostensibly based in China but operated by a German
national, is operated by the rogue Internet pharmacy domain name registrant himself. AB Systems, now finally deaccredited, was the
<a href="https://mastermind.atavist.com/" target="_blank">safe haven</a> for tens of thousands of rogue Internet pharmacies that financed arms smuggling, North Korean meth smuggling and assassinations. LegitScript has
<a href="https://judiciary.house.gov/hearing/hearing-stakeholder-perspectives-icann/" target="_blank">
testified</a> before Congress about our concerns with other registrars like Rebel. My personal view is that ICANN has abdicated its responsibility to exercise due diligence in the accreditation and re-accreditation process. However, I also believe that most
registrars do not want companies like these in their community. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#444444">In summary, I think that a balanced view recognizes that the strong majority of the registrar community is appropriately responsive to abuse complaints involving criminal activity, specifically
rogue Internet pharmacies. However, the same balanced view requires recognizing that there's a serious problem with a small number of rogue registrars who (at best) turn a blind eye to criminal activity or (in some cases) actively solicit it. We continue to
urge the contract parties community and ICANN to consider what additional steps can be taken to remove these safe havens from the ecosystem. My personal opinion, which I know that some registrars may or may not share, is that stronger but fair and balanced
enforcement of Section 3.18 by ICANN would, in the long run, help the legitimate registrar and registry community, not hurt it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#444444">Thanks for the opportunity to respond. -- JCH<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 8:23 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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Have a look at the Legitscript blog. Most of the large registrars work with Legitscript.<br>
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I’m sure John can comment in more detail.<span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
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</span>Blacknight Solutions<span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
</span>Hosting, Colocation & Domains<br>
<a href="http://www.blacknight.host/" target="_blank">http://www.blacknight.host/</a><br>
<a href="http://blog.blacknight.com/" target="_blank">http://blog.blacknight.com/</a><br>
<a href="http://ceo.hosting/" target="_blank">http://ceo.hosting/</a><br>
Intl. <a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072">+353 (0) 59 9183072</a><br>
Direct Dial: <a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090">+353 (0)59 9183090</a><br>
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On 13/06/2016, 11:20, "<a href="mailto:gbruen@knujon.com">gbruen@knujon.com</a>" <<a href="mailto:gbruen@knujon.com">gbruen@knujon.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>Michele,<br>
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>Which registrars and registries are the "a lot" you refer to?<br>
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>-Garth<br>
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>On 6/13/16 11:01 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:<br>
>> Derek<br>
>><br>
>> Hardly “of note”. They’re mentioned in passing without any details and in the same line as payment providers and delivery services. There’s also zero explanation as to what constitutes “rogue”.<span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
</span>>><span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
</span>>> As Legitscript has noted multiple times in the past a lot of registrars and registries work with them and law enforcement.<span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
</span>>><span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
</span>>> Regards<span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
</span>>><span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
</span>>> Michele<span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
</span>>><span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
</span>>><span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
</span>>> --<span style="font-family:MingLiU"><br>
</span>>> Mr Michele Neylon<br>
>> Blacknight Solutions<br>
>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains<br>
>> <a href="http://www.blacknight.host/" target="_blank">http://www.blacknight.host/</a><br>
>> <a href="http://blog.blacknight.com/" target="_blank">http://blog.blacknight.com/</a><br>
>> <a href="http://ceo.hosting/" target="_blank">http://ceo.hosting/</a><br>
>> Intl. <a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%20%209183072">+353 (0) 59 9183072</a><br>
>> Direct Dial: <a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090">+353 (0)59 9183090</a><br>
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>> Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty<br>
>> Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,R93 X265,<br>
>> Ireland Company No.: 370845<br>
>><br>
>> On 11/06/2016, 17:05, "<a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> on behalf of Derek Smythe" <<a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>
on behalf of <a href="mailto:derek@aa419.org">derek@aa419.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> <a href="http://www.interpol.int/News-and-media/News/2016/N2016-076" target="_blank">
http://www.interpol.int/News-and-media/News/2016/N2016-076</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> Of note: "rogue domain name registrars"<br>
>>><br>
>>>> The operation also targeted the main areas exploited by organized crime in the illegal online medicine trade: rogue domain name registrars, electronic payment systems and delivery services. A further 700 investigations have now also been launched by national
authorities worldwide with at least 40 cases directly linked to organized crime.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Derek Smythe<br>
>>> Artists Against 419<br>
>>> <a href="http://www.aa419.org" target="_blank">http://www.aa419.org</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> _______________________________________________<br>
>>> At-Large mailing list<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
>>> <a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large" target="_blank">
https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> At-Large Official Site: <a href="http://atlarge.icann.org" target="_blank">http://atlarge.icann.org</a><br>
>> _______________________________________________<br>
>> At-Large mailing list<br>
>> <a href="mailto:At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">At-Large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
>> <a href="https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large" target="_blank">
https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large</a><br>
>><br>
>> At-Large Official Site: <a href="http://atlarge.icann.org" target="_blank">http://atlarge.icann.org</a><br>
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>--<br>
>Garth Bruen<br>
><a href="mailto:gbruen@knujon.com">gbruen@knujon.com</a><br>
><br>
><a href="tel:617-947-3805">617-947-3805</a><br>
><a href="http://www.knujon.com" target="_blank">http://www.knujon.com</a><br>
>Fisher College, Criminal Justice Division<br>
>ICANN At-Large Advisory Council<br>
>Author: WHOIS Running the Internet<br>
><a href="http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-1118679555.html" target="_blank">http://www.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-1118679555.html</a><br>
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