<div dir="ltr"><span tabindex="-1" id="result_box" class="" lang="en"><span title="Je souscris aux préoccupations de Roberto.">I agree with Roberto concerns. </span><span title="Pour contribuer à cet échange, je nous informe qu'en RD Congo, nous sommes parvenu à mettre en place le FGI national en respectant les articles 72 et 73 de l'Agenda de Tunis
">To contribute to this exchange, I inform us that in DR Congo, we are able
to implement the national IGF respecting Articles 72 and 73 of the
Tunis Agenda<br><br></span><span title="Nous avons donc un secrétariat exécutif, un MAG national où le gouvernement, le secteur privé, les universités, la communauté technique, certains organismes internationaux sont membres.">So
we have an executive secretariat, a national MAG where the government,
private sector, universities, the technical community, some
international organizations are members. </span><span title="Nous avons fixés un plafond de 30 membres mais nous avons constitués une base de données de 60 membres tout en tenant compte des 26 provinces que compte la RDC.
">We have set a ceiling of 30 members but we formed a 60-member database while taking account of the 26 provinces of the DRC.<br><br></span><span title="Cependant, un tel cadre de concertation multiacteur ne peut fonctionner de façon crédible si l'autorité officielle de tutelle ne l'avalise pas.">However,
such a multi-stakeholder consultation framework can operate credibly if
the official guardianship authority did not endorse. </span><span title="C'est ainsi que le FGI RDC a été avalisé par le Ministère en charge des TICs tout en reconnaissant l'autonomie de cette plate forme.
">Thus IGF DRC has been endorsed by the Ministry in charge of ICT while recognizing the autonomy of this platform.<br><br></span><span title="Officiellement, nous existons, mais pour mobiliser les fonds des activités du FGI RDC auprès des donateurs locaux, et aussi pour l'ouverture d'un compte bancaire, il nous a été exigé le caractère juridique de cette plate forme nationale.">Officially,
we exist, but to raise funds for DRC IGF activities from local donors,
and for opening a bank account, he was required us the legal character
of this national platform. </span><span title="Suite aux discussions entre les acteurs impliqués dans ce processus, il a été demandé au ministère de tutelle de faire un arrêté ministériel.
">Following discussions between the actors involved in this process, it was requested to the ministry to make a ministerial order.<br><br></span><span title="Le FGI RDC conserve son caractère multiacteur autonome avec une identité juridique qui nous permet de mener nos activités au niveau national.">The
IGF DRC retains its independent multi-stakeholder character with a
legal identity that allows us to conduct our activities at national
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">2016-05-19 21:08 GMT+01:00 Roberto Gaetano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" target="_blank">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Maybe I did not make myself clear. I never advocated the *<b>urge</b>* to establish multi-stakeholder structures at the national level. However,
since I recognize that there are attempts to “establish multi-stakeholder structures at the national level”, I would like to know what those initiatives are.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Also, I am with you when you claim, if I have understood correctly your line of thought, that it is not true that one size fits all. What I am
looking for is to collect information about the different ways in which different geopolitical and social environments tackle this issue – including the “we don’t care” or “we do nothing” approaches, that are perfectly legitimate.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">IMHO, the collection of this information goes exactly in the opposite direction of blindly endorsing Brazil’s CGI model as a universal model: it
is just an attempt to understand what is already happening.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Inviato:</b> domenica 15 maggio 2016 21:18<br>
<b>A:</b> Roberto Gaetano; Seun Ojedeji<br>
<b>Cc:</b> At-Large Worldwide<br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> RE: [At-Large] R: IGF Germany<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">in many countries it is desirable to postpone the urge to "establish multi-stakeholder structures at the national level." They may create capture targets with no benefit
in exchange if done prematurely.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">That is the case in several Latin American countries where we have loosely organized working groups, and meetings we have chosen to call "Dialogues on Internet Governance",
avoiding any premature crystallization and even the word "Forum." To the best of my understanding we started this trend in Mexico and it has had echo in Argentina.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Fadi Chehade for a time tried to convince many, especially in governments, to emulate Brazil's CGI. The model may work well in Brazil, due to local circumstances and history
(Vanda will tell us more - it was started by her in a visionary way in the Cardoso government period) but other countries have very different circumstances.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">In particular if many of the IG problems are being solved by relevant stakeholders on a heuristic basis, the more commprehensive structure may actually cause a wreck.
Among other reasons: attempts to capture (by government or others), a scramble for budget and seats, lack of balance, lack of access to the actually relevant actors - briefly, an example: an ISP may or an NGO may need to send very different representatives
to a meeting on spma than to a meeting on "right to be forgotten."<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Alejandro Pisanty<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> [<a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>] en nombre de Roberto Gaetano [<a href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" target="_blank">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> domingo, 15 de mayo de 2016 11:15<br>
<b>Hasta:</b> Seun Ojedeji<br>
<b>CC:</b> At-Large Worldwide<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> [At-Large] R: IGF Germany</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Thanks, Seun, this is an excellent start, I will also have a look at the 2015 reports.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">I would also be interested in whether some analysis has been made to compare the local initiatives – I am sure that every country approaches this
issue in a different way.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Cheers,</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Inviato:</b> domenica 15 maggio 2016 17:27<br>
<b>A:</b> Roberto Gaetano<br>
<b>Cc:</b> At-Large Worldwide<br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [At-Large] IGF Germany</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">Hi,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black">The URL below has references to national and regional IGFs:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black"><a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/77-igf-regional-events/igf-regional-and-national/3026-list-of-national-and-regional-igf-initiatives-2016" target="_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/77-igf-regional-events/igf-regional-and-national/3026-list-of-national-and-regional-igf-initiatives-2016</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black">Regards<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black">Sent from my LG G4<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On 15 May 2016 4:14 p.m., "Roberto Gaetano" <<a href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" target="_blank">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Hi all.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">I have sent a specific message on this subject to the EURALO list, but I am realizing that what I am looking for is not limited to Europe, so I am replicating this to the global list.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">I am particularly interested in efforts to establish multi-stakeholder structures at the national level.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">I understand that in Germany there is an ongoing effort to build this type of initiative.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Is this correct? How can I get more information?</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Generally speaking, would it be a good idea to share the information that we have from different countries?</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Maybe there are some ALSes that work locally on this subject, and it would be good to know more about it.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Cheers,</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">Roberto</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black" lang="EN-US">PS: I know that our Armenian ALSes are active on this, and I am already in contact with them
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