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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Alejandro,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Maybe I did not make myself clear. I never advocated the *<b>urge</b>* to establish multi-stakeholder structures at the national level. However,
since I recognize that there are attempts to “establish multi-stakeholder structures at the national level”, I would like to know what those initiatives are.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Also, I am with you when you claim, if I have understood correctly your line of thought, that it is not true that one size fits all. What I am
looking for is to collect information about the different ways in which different geopolitical and social environments tackle this issue – including the “we don’t care” or “we do nothing” approaches, that are perfectly legitimate.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">IMHO, the collection of this information goes exactly in the opposite direction of blindly endorsing Brazil’s CGI model as a universal model: it
is just an attempt to understand what is already happening.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif"">Da:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif""> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch [mailto:apisan@unam.mx]
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<b>Inviato:</b> domenica 15 maggio 2016 21:18<br>
<b>A:</b> Roberto Gaetano; Seun Ojedeji<br>
<b>Cc:</b> At-Large Worldwide<br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> RE: [At-Large] R: IGF Germany<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">in many countries it is desirable to postpone the urge to "establish multi-stakeholder structures at the national level." They may create capture targets with no benefit
in exchange if done prematurely.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">That is the case in several Latin American countries where we have loosely organized working groups, and meetings we have chosen to call "Dialogues on Internet Governance",
avoiding any premature crystallization and even the word "Forum." To the best of my understanding we started this trend in Mexico and it has had echo in Argentina.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Fadi Chehade for a time tried to convince many, especially in governments, to emulate Brazil's CGI. The model may work well in Brazil, due to local circumstances and history
(Vanda will tell us more - it was started by her in a visionary way in the Cardoso government period) but other countries have very different circumstances.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">In particular if many of the IG problems are being solved by relevant stakeholders on a heuristic basis, the more commprehensive structure may actually cause a wreck.
Among other reasons: attempts to capture (by government or others), a scramble for budget and seats, lack of balance, lack of access to the actually relevant actors - briefly, an example: an ISP may or an NGO may need to send very different representatives
to a meeting on spma than to a meeting on "right to be forgotten."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Desde:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">
<a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> [at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Roberto Gaetano [roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com]<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> domingo, 15 de mayo de 2016 11:15<br>
<b>Hasta:</b> Seun Ojedeji<br>
<b>CC:</b> At-Large Worldwide<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> [At-Large] R: IGF Germany</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks, Seun, this is an excellent start, I will also have a look at the 2015 reports.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I would also be interested in whether some analysis has been made to compare the local initiatives – I am sure that every country approaches this
issue in a different way.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Cheers,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:black">Da:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI","sans-serif";color:black"> Seun Ojedeji [<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com">mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Inviato:</b> domenica 15 maggio 2016 17:27<br>
<b>A:</b> Roberto Gaetano<br>
<b>Cc:</b> At-Large Worldwide<br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [At-Large] IGF Germany</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span style="color:black">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black">The URL below has references to national and regional IGFs:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black"><a href="http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/77-igf-regional-events/igf-regional-and-national/3026-list-of-national-and-regional-igf-initiatives-2016" target="_blank">http://www.intgovforum.org/cms/77-igf-regional-events/igf-regional-and-national/3026-list-of-national-and-regional-igf-initiatives-2016</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style="color:black">Sent from my LG G4<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On 15 May 2016 4:14 p.m., "Roberto Gaetano" <<a href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" target="_blank">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Hi all.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">I have sent a specific message on this subject to the EURALO list, but I am realizing that what I am looking for is not limited to Europe, so I am replicating this to the global list.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">I am particularly interested in efforts to establish multi-stakeholder structures at the national level.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">I understand that in Germany there is an ongoing effort to build this type of initiative.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Is this correct? How can I get more information?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Generally speaking, would it be a good idea to share the information that we have from different countries?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Maybe there are some ALSes that work locally on this subject, and it would be good to know more about it.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Cheers,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">Roberto</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:black">PS: I know that our Armenian ALSes are active on this, and I am already in contact with them
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