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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 09 April 2016 11:33 AM, Dr.
      Alejandro Pisanty Baruch wrote:<br>
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        Parminder,
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        <div>you have not made any substantive points. You may have
          formulated some mildly interesting hypotheses but as we have
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          - misunderstandings.</div>
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    that is your view... you are entitled to it. But I see you refusing
    to respond to the clear questions that I raise, and take cover
    behind technical jargon, as also below... Does not cut ice with me,
    or most of others here I suppose. <br>
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        <div>To your question: the web presence is not the gTLD and a
          gTLD does not necessarily entail a Web presence for any names
          registered under it (there are 65,534 ports that are not #
          80.) And any action about the hypothetical gTLD would be
          directed to the company running the registry. <br>
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    I have answered that question to Seun, the registry in case of
    closed gTLDs that businesses take up for there own use is that
    business itself and no point directing them to close their own gTLD.
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        <div>Do not forget to answer my substantive question on
          "quousque tandem [...] abutere patientia nostra."</div>
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    Sorry, I do not understand the language you write it. I can answer
    questions addressed to me in English<br>
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        <div>Alejandro Pisanty<br>
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                             Dr. Alejandro Pisanty<br>
                        Facultad de Química UNAM </font></span></span></div>
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                      Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
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                parminder [<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>]<br>
                <b>Enviado el:</b> sábado, 09 de abril de 2016 00:01<br>
                <b>Hasta:</b> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch; Michele
                Neylon - Blacknight; Seth M Reiss; 'McTim'<br>
                <b>CC:</b> 'At-Large Worldwide'<br>
                <b>Asunto:</b> Re: [At-Large] R: R: Is ICANN's oversight
                really moving away from the US government?<br>
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              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 09 April 2016
                10:18 AM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch wrote:<br>
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                  Parminder,
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                      <div>"And for a gTLD, the registry is ICANN.... A
                        similar order will be directed to ICANN is a
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                      <div>No. ICANN is not a registry.</div>
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              Dear Alejandro<br>
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              US courts are not a subject of ICANN, it is the other way
              around.... So courts are not going to observe the
              intricate niceties of ICANN's internal lingo..... gTLDs
              are directly controlled by ICANN, it can include and
              remove one from the operative list of gTLDs.... There is
              no other way to remove a gTLD... That alone counts, and
              the court will direct ICANN accordingly.... Just forget
              the ICANN jargon. Please respond to substantive points and
              issues.<br>
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              You havent responded to my substantive points, and are
              taking the cover of a jargon about which I care as little
              as a US court will.. The substantive point it; is to
              proceed from an existing case, rojadirecta had taken a
              gTLD, it were .rojadirecta (or for wikipedia's case
              .wikipedia), and the same case had come to the same US
              court, where would its order to take down the web presence
              of the respective businesses be directed?  Would you care
              to respond to this point? Thanks.
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                      <div>This is a deep misunderstanding. No reasoning
                        based on this statement will lead to any valid
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