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      Seun, responses inline<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 24 March 2016 02:53 PM,
      Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote"> snip,,,,,,It means incorporation
            under international law, and not US law as present.<span
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            <div>Okay don't mind my legal illiteracy, does this mean
              incoporation under a body like UN? how does/will this work
              in a normal circumstances; How does the registration of a
              company name work when a country is not the source of
              registration?<br>
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    International incorporation either follows a new treaty, or can be
    under the UN....<br>
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            <div>Okay so you are referring to a separate body that does
              what NTIA currently does? If i may ask, why do you really
              think you could trust this new body that will oversight on
              ICANN; who will oversight this new body you propose?<br>
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    That 'how will you trust'  question can be asked in an infinite
    regress. To break such logics, in political systems, oversight is
    built through division of power - those who have raw executive power
    get overseen by others, who are unlikely to be swayed by the
    former's interests, and act per clearly laid out rules, and by
    themselves do not have any or much executive power. In India, for
    instance, the President has oversight over the parliamentary system
    and the cabinet (including the prime minister), but in fact the
    President is considered much less powerful that the prime minister,
    and it is often
    a  job given to senior politicians who have to be retired
    respectably.... Just making the point that oversight does not
    necessarily means superior power, if the division of power is done
    well, and there are well laid out rules, and judicial oversight.
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            <div>snip</div>
            <div>The board has oversight on the organization. Seats on
              the board is filled by various SO/AC and also by external
              people who are not affiliated with various SO/AC(nomcom
              selected members). So my point was that there is already
              some level of external oversight by the virtue of board's
              composition.<br>
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    As argued in the article, the so called ICANN community is largely
    inbred, has a very narrow base, and the interests of power and
    career movements within the system, and in allied systems, are often
    shared and inter-mingled to an extent that it does not at all make a
    good model for internal oversight... Separation of oversight from
    executive power is needed across groups that do not intersect and
    intermingle in the way this inbred community does. And becuase of
    these closely shared interests and perspectives they have developed
    strong inclusion-exclusion boundaries, which would become even
    stronger in a free floating ICANN without oversight....This is a
    fault , to use the term again, with infinite regress logic, which in
    absence of external oversight will keep becoming worse all the
    time..<br>
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    Happy to clarify further if needed... parminder <br>
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                </span> My article is quite specific, for the 1400 words
                that I had.... In fact it is your response to it that
                requires specifics, and seems to be too vague. What
                exactly 'representing both internal and external' and
                'community' mean?<br>
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            <div>I hope my responses above now helps<br>
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            <div>Regards <br>
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                Best, parminder <br>
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                    <p dir="ltr">Sent from my LG G4<br>
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                    <div class="gmail_quote">On 24 Mar 2016 06:18,
                      "parminder" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            oversight transition as an op-ed in The
                            Hindu<br>
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                            'Why the Internet is not just free yet" </font><br>
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                          <i><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">Seun
                              Ojedeji,<br style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">
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