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<font face="Verdana">Seun<br>
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Firstly, there is huge difference between the one authoritative
root, and the 13 root zone servers, and still more between these
and their anycast instances... These three kinds can simply not be
spoken of in the same breath. This is even more so when we are
talking about creating a fully ready redundant system for
immediate take over.<br>
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Second, when a really effective check is being devised against
possible abuse of US state's jurisdictional power (about which
strangely no stress test ever gets done - I mean in the oversight
transition proposal development process - when the real
possibilities are all around us) it can be effective only when the
whole parallel setup is fully ready and switch-able rather
quickly. The current configuration has little or no value as the
kind of check I am talking about.<br>
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Now, whether we are at all interested in devising such a check is
an entirely different matter.. How meticulous have we been in
devising various other kinds of checks during the transition
proposal development process.. Then why such callousness with
regard to this vital check, which covers an area that, we all
know, has been perhaps the single biggest concern regarding the
current ICANN oversight mechanism, for most people, groups and
countries.... Frankly, I really do not understand it.<br>
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parminder <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 27 February 2016 07:26 PM,
Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Sent from my LG G4<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br>
On 27 Feb 2016 12:22 p.m., "parminder" <<a
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wrote:<br>
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> As a stop gap measure, before such incorporation under
international law can be worked out, a new ICANN free from
formal NTIA oversight should set up a parallel redundant
authoritative root in a non US location, which is fully primed
to work and take over from the US based one the moment there is
any interference by the US state - whether its judicial,
legislative or executive branch, either in ICANN's policy
process, or actual entries in the authoritative root. Since
Internet's root system works by reputation and 'community
acceptance' and not by any necessary physical components and
linkages, this should be easy to work out.. This IMHO would be
the best interim check on the US state's possibilities to
interfere with ICANN/ root file business.<br>
><br>
SO: At the moment there are root server replica across the
globe. Technically it implies that each of those root can be
potential authoritative root (if absolutely required). So I
don't think setting up a redundant authoritative root outside US
have any significant advantage in that it's only authoritative
if active and not when redundant.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards</p>
<p dir="ltr">> parminder <br>
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> On Friday 26 February 2016 09:31 PM, Karl Auerbach wrote:<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 2/26/16 12:55 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Karl makes a compelling case why ICANN should not
be a California corporation.<br>
>><br>
>> That was not my point at all.<br>
>><br>
>> One can go to pretty much any country, any state, on
the Earth and will find similar laws.<br>
>><br>
>> There will, of course, be variations in color and
texture among those laws. But no matter where, when people pool
their interests in a common enterprise there will be the same
questions of control during times of agreement and times of
disagreement. From the 17th to the 20th century European ideas
of organization were spread around the world.<br>
>><br>
>> These laws have been polished through centuries of
experience. Those who think they have a better idea often
discover that that idea has occurred before and was found
wanting.<br>
>><br>
>> I am old enough to have come of age during the "flower
power" era of the 1960's. I saw (and experienced) a lot of
people and groups who rejected "the establishment" and sought to
reshape the world along lines that were less confrontational,
more "personally empowered", more "love, peace, and good
vibes". Those attempts, like previous Utopian movements, faded
because they were based on aspirations rather than recognition
of hard lessons of experience with human nature.<br>
>><br>
>> These proposals to restructure ICANN are similarly
aspirational. And similarly unrealistic.<br>
>><br>
>> Perhaps most unrealistic is the idea that "we can just
pick up and move to somewhere else".<br>
>><br>
>> The grass is not always greener on the other side of
the fence. And if one takes a look around it's going to be hard
to find a place that is more amenable than California to
innovated organizational structures. Which is a good reason to
look at what the aging Hippies who now run California have put
into California's public-benefit/non-profit corporations law
with regard to membership and the powers of that membership.<br>
>><br>
>> Don't fight the system. Use it. <br>
>><br>
>> --karl--<br>
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