<div style="white-space:pre-wrap">I am just curious as to the 'Non US location' where there is no risk of jurisdictional interference.<br><br>Lance</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Sat, Feb 27, 2016 at 10:42 AM parminder <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net">parminder@itforchange.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<font face="Verdana"> I mean a check against abuse of power is a
check only when the potential abuser can feel it breathing down
its neck.... parminder </font><br></div><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
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<div>On Saturday 27 February 2016 08:07 PM,
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<font face="Verdana">Seun<br>
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Firstly, there is huge difference between the one authoritative
root, and the 13 root zone servers, and still more between these
and their anycast instances... These three kinds can simply not
be spoken of in the same breath. This is even more so when we
are talking about creating a fully ready redundant system for
immediate take over.<br>
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Second, when a really effective check is being devised against
possible abuse of US state's jurisdictional power (about which
strangely no stress test ever gets done - I mean in the
oversight transition proposal development process - when the
real possibilities are all around us) it can be effective only
when the whole parallel setup is fully ready and switch-able
rather quickly. The current configuration has little or no value
as the kind of check I am talking about.<br>
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Now, whether we are at all interested in devising such a check
is an entirely different matter.. How meticulous have we been in
devising various other kinds of checks during the transition
proposal development process.. Then why such callousness with
regard to this vital check, which covers an area that, we all
know, has been perhaps the single biggest concern regarding the
current ICANN oversight mechanism, for most people, groups and
countries.... Frankly, I really do not understand it.<br>
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parminder <br>
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PM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">Sent from my LG G4<br>
Kindly excuse brevity and typos<br>
On 27 Feb 2016 12:22 p.m., "parminder" <<a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a></a>>
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> As a stop gap measure, before such incorporation under
international law can be worked out, a new ICANN free from
formal NTIA oversight should set up a parallel redundant
authoritative root in a non US location, which is fully primed
to work and take over from the US based one the moment there
is any interference by the US state - whether its judicial,
legislative or executive branch, either in ICANN's policy
process, or actual entries in the authoritative root. Since
Internet's root system works by reputation and 'community
acceptance' and not by any necessary physical components and
linkages, this should be easy to work out.. This IMHO would be
the best interim check on the US state's possibilities to
interfere with ICANN/ root file business.<br>
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SO: At the moment there are root server replica across the
globe. Technically it implies that each of those root can be
potential authoritative root (if absolutely required). So I
don't think setting up a redundant authoritative root outside
US have any significant advantage in that it's only
authoritative if active and not when redundant.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Regards</p>
<p dir="ltr">> parminder <br>
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> On Friday 26 February 2016 09:31 PM, Karl Auerbach wrote:<br>
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>> On 2/26/16 12:55 AM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Karl makes a compelling case why ICANN should not
be a California corporation.<br>
>><br>
>> That was not my point at all.<br>
>><br>
>> One can go to pretty much any country, any state, on
the Earth and will find similar laws.<br>
>><br>
>> There will, of course, be variations in color and
texture among those laws. But no matter where, when people
pool their interests in a common enterprise there will be the
same questions of control during times of agreement and times
of disagreement. From the 17th to the 20th century European
ideas of organization were spread around the world.<br>
>><br>
>> These laws have been polished through centuries of
experience. Those who think they have a better idea often
discover that that idea has occurred before and was found
wanting.<br>
>><br>
>> I am old enough to have come of age during the
"flower power" era of the 1960's. I saw (and experienced) a
lot of people and groups who rejected "the establishment" and
sought to reshape the world along lines that were less
confrontational, more "personally empowered", more "love,
peace, and good vibes". Those attempts, like previous
Utopian movements, faded because they were based on
aspirations rather than recognition of hard lessons of
experience with human nature.<br>
>><br>
>> These proposals to restructure ICANN are similarly
aspirational. And similarly unrealistic.<br>
>><br>
>> Perhaps most unrealistic is the idea that "we can
just pick up and move to somewhere else".<br>
>><br>
>> The grass is not always greener on the other side of
the fence. And if one takes a look around it's going to be
hard to find a place that is more amenable than California to
innovated organizational structures. Which is a good reason
to look at what the aging Hippies who now run California have
put into California's public-benefit/non-profit corporations
law with regard to membership and the powers of that
membership.<br>
>><br>
>> Don't fight the system. Use it. <br>
>><br>
>> --karl--<br>
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