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Hi Kaili,<br><br>
If you were at that meeting *AND* remember what was said, I don't think
you are eligible to be called a newcomer any more!<br><br>
For better or worse, ICANN preserves pretty much everything. You can find
that transcript at
<a href="http://singapore41.icann.org/meetings/singapore2011/transcript-board-new-gtlds-20jun11-en.txt" eudora="autourl">
http://singapore41.icann.org/meetings/singapore2011/transcript-board-new-gtlds-20jun11-en.txt</a>
, If you search for the second occurrence of "sadowsky", you
will find what you are looking for. It was a rather unusual Board meeting
held immediately after the opening session on Monday. I always presumed
it was held on the Monday instead of the traditional end-of-the-week time
to allow time for partying and self-congratulations.<br><br>
To find pretty much everything available from past meetings, go to the
Meetings site at
<a href="https://meetings.icann.org/en/" eudora="autourl">
https://meetings.icann.org/en/</a>. It is always (hopefully) pointed to
from the ICANN home page in the box talking about the upcoming meeting.
from there, click on the top navigation menu item "Calendar and
Archives". The ICANNnn links point to the specific meeting
site.<br><br>
Alan<br><br>
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At 19/12/2015 11:13 AM, Kan Kaili wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=2>Talking about the
new gTLD program, I remember attending the 2011 ICANN 41 in
Singapore. As I remember, that time George Sadowski was the only
Board member who voted against it. Maybe some of his opinions, as
well as records of the debate, could shed some light for new comers like
me to better understand the issue.<br>
</font> <br>
<font size=2>I just wonder where I can find this. Anybody can
help? Thank you.<br>
</font> <br>
<font size=2>Kaili Kan<br>
</font> <br>
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<dd>----- Original Message ----- <br>
<dd>From:</b> <a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">Carlton
Samuels</a> <br>
<dd>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond</a>
<br>
<dd>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:johnl@iecc.com">John R. Levine</a> ;
<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">At-Large Worldwide</a>
<br>
<dd>Sent:</b> Saturday, December 19, 2015 10:14 PM<br>
<dd>Subject:</b> Re: [At-Large] Fwd: [council] Final Issue Report on New
gTLD Subsequent Procedures<br><br>
<dd>I can attest to all that Olivier has recorded here. Our
colleague Evan Leibovitch, as penholder on the ALAC statement on PAG had
a greater task keeping us focused on the priority topics than finding
grist for what was wrong with the details of the program, at least from
our perspective. <br><br>
<dd>We were the first to call the Morality and Public Order clause odious
and an assault on common sense. And despite the severe criticism
the ALAC, to its credit, did not back off our interest in the Applicant
Support initiative. This never met expectations. But at least we were in
the fight. We should be proud of the body of work from the ALAC in that
period.<br><br>
<dd>-Carlton<br><br>
<br>
<dd>==============================<br>
<dd>Carlton A Samuels<br>
<dd>Mobile: 876-818-1799<br>
<dd><font color="#33CC00">Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment
& Turnaround</i></font><br>
<dd>=============================<br><br>
<dd>On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond
<<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<dd>Dear Christopher,<br><br>
<dd>sorry I am only picking this up now - it was filed in the wrong
folder.<br>
<dd>My comments below:<br><br>
<dd>On 09/12/2015 20:08, Christopher Wilkinson wrote:<br>
<dd>> Hmmm … following a brief readd (there are 160 pp.), it would
appear:<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>> 1. That there was no attempt to update the 2010 economic
studies, which were considered to be adequate.<br><br>
<dd>The economic study (which can be found at<br>
<dd><a href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2010-12-03-en">
https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2010-12-03-en</a> ) was published
in<br>
<dd>two parts, such was the pressure on ICANN to be able to tick the<br>
<dd>"economic study" box that had been set along the path to
launching the<br>
<dd>new gTLD process. From memory, a public consultation on these
reports<br>
<dd>was never launched. The only ALAC comment relating to the
Applicant<br>
<dd>Guidebook & the new gTLD program was here:<br>
<dd>
<a href="http://atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/statement-agbv5-08dec10-en.pdf">
http://atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/statement-agbv5-08dec10-en.pdf</a>
<br>
<dd>As you can see, the ALAC was not happy about a number of things
which<br>
<dd>then came back to bite ICANN later on. "told you so"<br>
<dd>In the meantime, read the economic study and you'll see how naive
and<br>
<dd>rushed it is.<br><br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>> 2. There is one reference to an opinion that the demand
for new gTLDs was 'illusory'. Not clear whether this refers to the demand
from Registries or from Registrants.<br><br>
<dd>There was a demand for new gTLDs from potential applicants. Some<br>
<dd>applicants had already "sold" their program to investors
and clients. I<br>
<dd>have strong memories of the ICANN public forum having scores of
people<br>
<dd>queueing up asking the Board to give the new gTLD program the go
ahead,<br>
<dd>and that the applicant guidebook was good enough to be signed off.
The<br>
<dd>ALAC view, as you can see from above, was that it wasn't ready.
That<br>
<dd>introduced some tension all around, with some people accusing the
ALAC<br>
<dd>that it was against new gTLDs and that this position was counter
to<br>
<dd>Internet end users out there who couldn't register domain names in
an<br>
<dd>already crowded space. The ALAC stood by its position but was
completely<br>
<dd>ignored. Moreover you'll note that there's a complete fumble on
ICANN's<br>
<dd>part with regards to Registrant Rights & Responsibilities with a
botched<br>
<dd>"Registrant Benefits" part and "Registrant
Rights" sub-part. Anyway ---<br>
<dd>very poor follow-up on this on ICANN's part.<br><br>
<dd>As a result, I am shedding no tears for any failed new gTLD. I am
sorry<br>
<dd>for the end users that are going to be affected and I think that
the<br>
<dd>ALAC needs to watch this very closely, to make sure end users who
have<br>
<dd>registered domains in new gTLDs are treated well. The ALAC's
relevant<br>
<dd>working groups should keep a watch over that. Unfortunately the
most<br>
<dd>active participants are already flat out on ICANN Accountability
& other<br>
<dd>things, but the WGs would benefit from sharp eyes &
tongues.<br><br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>> 3. There are several references to the financial
evaluation of the applicants. However, one may wonder what that consisted
of as applied to 800+ applicants (and still counting).<br>
<dd>> I would have to ask how many qualified
financial analysts would have been required to do a serious job on so
many applications in such a short period of time.<br>
<dd>> In my time it was called risk
analysis; nowadays it is called 'stress tests'.<br>
<dd>><br>
<dd>> The gist of the report seems to be to recommend a massive new
PDP to review and propose what to do next. Every conceivable topic is
included, except the economics of the DNS markets and the financial
position of the Registries. Perhaps some prioritisation is called
for.<br><br>
<dd>At-Large participants will need to be part of that PDP. Expect it
to<br>
<dd>start soon as once again there are forces out there that want
another<br>
<dd>application round of Ponz... I mean new gTLDs to start as soon as
possible.<br>
<dd>Kindest regards,<br><br>
<dd>Olivier<br><br>
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