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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2 face=宋体>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2 face=宋体>Thank you very much for your reply and
explanation. Now I understand the issue better.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2 face=宋体>Thanks again.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2 face=宋体>Kaili</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=cdel@firsthand.net href="mailto:cdel@firsthand.net">Christian de
Larrinaga</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>To:</B> <A title=kankaili@gmail.com
href="mailto:kankaili@gmail.com">Kan Kaili</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=carlton.samuels@gmail.com
href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">Carlton Samuels</A> ; <A
title=roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com
href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com">Roberto Gaetano</A> ; <A
title=at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">At-Large Worldwide</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 15, 2015 6:51
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [At-Large] I: [ALAC-Announce]
ICANN News Alert -- Notice of Preliminary Determination To Grant Registrar
Data Retention Waiver Request for Ascio Technologies, Inc. Danmark - filial af
Ascio Technologies, Inc. USA</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica Neue; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica Neue">The thing to get our heads around is not
that ICANN complies or not with any of the myriad of laws around the world but
that it feels entitled to issue "waivers" as if it has any geo political legal
standing on laws. <BR><BR>This is a completely separate issue as to whether
any local laws are better suited to end-users needs and
interests.<BR><BR>C<BR><BR></SPAN><BR><SPAN>Kan Kaili wrote:</SPAN><BR>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>As a new member of ALAC and not being
aware of past ALAC statements on this issue, my guess is, ICANN wants
to avoid complying with ANY government laws and regulations in order to show
it is determined to protect the end-users regardless. That is,
while European laws may stand to protect end-users' interest, laws of
other governments may not.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>On the other hand, the current ICANN policy of
granting waivers on a case-by-case basis, may not be the most economical way
to achieve the desired purpose and might be improved.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>Again, this is only my personal
guess.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2 face=宋体>Kaili</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="FONT: 9pt 宋体; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=carlton.samuels@gmail.com href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true">Carlton Samuels</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>To:</B> <A title=roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com
href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" moz-do-not-send="true">Roberto
Gaetano</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org
href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">At-Large Worldwide</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 15, 2015 6:03
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [At-Large] I:
[ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alert -- Notice of Preliminary Determination To
Grant Registrar Data Retention Waiver Request for Ascio Technologies, Inc.
Danmark - filial af Ascio Technologies, Inc. USA</DIV>
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class=gmail_default>Join the club. The ALAC has pointed to the
idiocy in several statements/advisories.</DIV>
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class=gmail_default><BR></DIV>
<DIV style="FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: large"
class=gmail_default>-Carlton</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_signature><BR>==============================<BR>Carlton A
Samuels<BR>Mobile: 876-818-1799<BR><I><FONT color=#33cc00>Strategy,
Planning, Governance, Assessment &
Turnaround</FONT></I><BR>=============================</DIV></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Roberto Gaetano
<SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com"
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class=gmail_quote>I am just wondering how much this overhead does
cost.<BR>Instead of complying with European law, ICANN has chosen to
disregard it,<BR>and now is obliged to grant waivers one by one to
European registrars.<BR>Am I the only one who thinks that this is plain
silly?<BR>Cheers,<BR>R.<BR><BR><BR><BR>> -----Messaggio
originale-----<BR>> Da: <A
href="mailto:alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</A>
[mailto:<A href="mailto:alac-announce-"
moz-do-not-send="true">alac-announce-</A><BR>> <A
href="mailto:bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</A>] Per conto di
ICANN At-Large Staff<BR>> Inviato: giovedì 10 dicembre 2015
04:03<BR>> A: <A href="mailto:alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org</A><BR>>
Oggetto: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alert -- Notice of
Preliminary<BR>> Determination To Grant Registrar Data Retention
Waiver Request for Ascio<BR>> Technologies, Inc. Danmark - filial af
Ascio Technologies, Inc. USA<BR>><BR>><BR>> [ICANN]<<A
href="http://www.icann.org/" rel=noreferrer target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.icann.org/</A>><BR>> News
Alert<BR>><BR>> <A
href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-12-09-en"
rel=noreferrer target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-12-09-en</A><BR>><BR>>
________________________________<BR>> Notice of Preliminary
Determination To Grant Registrar Data Retention<BR>> Waiver Request
for Ascio Technologies, Inc. Danmark - filial af Ascio<BR>>
Technologies, Inc. USA<BR>><BR>> 9 December 2015<BR>><BR>>
ICANN has made a preliminary determination that it is prepared to grant
a<BR>> data retention waiver request submitted by Registrar Ascio
Technologies,<BR>> Inc. Danmark - filial af Ascio Technologies, Inc.
USA ("Ascio") under the<BR>2013<BR>> Registrar Accreditation
Agreement (the "2013 RAA"). Section 2 of the Data<BR>> Retention
Specification (the "Specification") of the 2013 RAA
provides<BR>that<BR>> prior to granting any exemption under the
Specification, ICANN will post<BR>its<BR>> determination on the ICANN
website for a period of thirty (30) calendar<BR>days.<BR>><BR>>
Pursuant to Section 2 of the Specification, Ascio has submitted to ICANN
a<BR>> Registrar data retention waiver request ("Waiver Request") on
the basis of<BR>> Ascio's contention that compliance with the data
collection and/or<BR>retention<BR>> requirements of the Specification
violates applicable law in Denmark.<BR>><BR>> The Waiver Request
was accompanied by a written legal opinion from a<BR>> nationally
recognized law firm citing section 5 (5) of the Danish Act on<BR>>
Processing of Personal Data of 31 May 2000 (the "DPPD"). That
section<BR>> provides as follows (the following is an unofficial
English translation<BR>from<BR>> Danish):<BR>><BR>> Section 5
(5).<BR>><BR>> The data collected may not be kept in a form which
makes it possible to<BR>> identify the data subject for a longer
period than is necessary for the<BR>> purposes for which the data are
processed.<BR>><BR>> Following receipt of the Waiver Request, and
in accordance with the 2013<BR>> RAA, ICANN through its legal counsel
and Ascio discussed the matter in<BR>good<BR>> faith in an effort to
reach a mutually acceptable resolution of the<BR>matter.<BR>><BR>>
The outcome of those discussions is that Ascio is seeking a waiver
with<BR>> respect to Sections 1.1.1 through 1.1.8 of the
Specification that seeks to<BR>> reduce from two years to one year
the period for which these specified<BR>data<BR>> elements must be
retained after the Registrar's sponsorship of the<BR>> Registration
ends.<BR>><BR>> ICANN has determined on a preliminary basis that
it is prepared to grant<BR>the<BR>> Waiver Request. ICANN is posting
this preliminary determination for a<BR>period<BR>> of thirty (30)
calendar days to seek feedback and input from the community<BR>> on
the proposed data retention waiver. After the thirty (30) calendar
day<BR>> period following this posting has expired, ICANN will
consider all<BR>feedback<BR>> and input received before making a
final determination on whether to grant<BR>> the Waiver
Request.<BR>><BR>> The scope of the proposed waiver would be to
permit Ascio to maintain the<BR>> information specified in Sections
1.1.1 through 1.1.8 of the Specification<BR>for<BR>> the duration of
its sponsorship of the Registration and for a period of<BR>one
(1)<BR>> additional year thereafter rather than two (2) additional
years<BR>thereafter. In<BR>> all other respects the terms of the
Specification would remain AS-IS.<BR>><BR>> The specific change to
the Specification would be that, for the duration<BR>of the<BR>>
Waiver, the retention requirement of Section 1.1 of the Data
Retention<BR>> Specification be changed from "two additional years"
to "one additional<BR>> year."<BR>><BR>> If ICANN does make a
final determination to grant the Waiver Request<BR>> sought by Ascio,
the provisions of Section 3 of the Specification would<BR>apply<BR>>
to similar waivers requested by other registrars located in Denmark
and<BR>> subject to Danish law. Section 3 of the Specification
provides as follows:<BR>><BR>> If (i) ICANN has previously waived
compliance with the requirements of any<BR>> requirement of this Data
Retention Specification in response to a Waiver<BR>> Request from a
registrar that is located in the same jurisdiction
as<BR>Registrar<BR>> and (ii) Registrar is subject to the same
applicable law that gave rise to<BR>> ICANN's agreement to grant such
waiver, Registrar may request that ICANN<BR>> to grant a similar
waiver, which request shall be approved by ICANN,<BR>unless<BR>>
ICANN provides Registrar with a reasonable justification for not
approving<BR>> such request, in which case Registrar may thereafter
make an Wavier<BR>> Request pursuant to Section 2 of this Data
Retention Specification.<BR>><BR>> The Registrar's Waiver Request
and supporting documents are available<BR>> here: <A
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/waiver-request-ascio-"
rel=noreferrer target=_blank
moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/waiver-request-ascio-</A><BR>>
technologies-09dec15-en.pdf [PDF, 6.39 MB]<BR>><BR>> A public
comment period will remain open until 23:59 UTC, 11 January
2016.<BR>> Public comments will be available for consideration by
ICANN staff and the<BR>> ICANN Board.<BR>><BR>>
* Comments can be posted to:
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