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Dear Kaili,<br>
<br>
one of the ALAC's ATLAS II recommendations was that ICANN needed to
adjust its contractual framework to minimize conflict between its
requirements and relevant national laws.<br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://community.icann.org/x/P5ZCAw">https://community.icann.org/x/P5ZCAw</a><br>
<br>
At present the recommendation is marked as pending the outcome of
the CCWG Accountability. With the CCWG Accountability report now
out, it is clear that the CCWG has not addressed this problem. The
ALAC will need to address this and decide what to do with this
recommendation, whether it wants to carry it through to the ICANN
Board.<br>
<br>
At the end of the day, even though it is indeed so inefficient to do
this, when I circulated the question to other SO/AC Chairs there was
very little, if no response. So it appears that this is just not a
priority for anyone...<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15/12/2015 06:54, Kan Kaili wrote:<br>
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<div><font size="2" face="宋体">Hi,</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="宋体">As a new member of ALAC and not
being aware of past ALAC statements on this issue, my guess
is, ICANN wants to avoid complying with ANY government laws
and regulations in order to show it is determined to protect
the end-users regardless. That is, while European laws may
stand to protect end-users' interest, laws of
other governments may not.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="宋体">On the other hand, the current ICANN
policy of granting waivers on a case-by-case basis, may not be
the most economical way to achieve the desired purpose and
might be improved.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="宋体">Again, this is only my personal
guess.</font></div>
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<div><font size="2" face="宋体">Kaili</font></div>
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<div style="FONT: 9pt 宋体; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color:
black"><b>From:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="carlton.samuels@gmail.com"
href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">Carlton Samuels</a>
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<div style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com"
href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com">Roberto Gaetano</a>
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<div style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">At-Large
Worldwide</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 15,
2015 6:03 AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [At-Large] I:
[ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alert -- Notice of Preliminary
Determination To Grant Registrar Data Retention Waiver Request
for Ascio Technologies, Inc. Danmark - filial af Ascio
Technologies, Inc. USA</div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
large" class="gmail_default">Join the club. The ALAC has
pointed to the idiocy in several statements/advisories.</div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE:
large" class="gmail_default">-Carlton</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 3:52 PM,
Roberto Gaetano <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">I am
just wondering how much this overhead does cost.<br>
Instead of complying with European law, ICANN has chosen
to disregard it,<br>
and now is obliged to grant waivers one by one to European
registrars.<br>
Am I the only one who thinks that this is plain silly?<br>
Cheers,<br>
R.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> -----Messaggio originale-----<br>
> Da: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alac-announce-">alac-announce-</a><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>]
Per conto di ICANN At-Large Staff<br>
> Inviato: giovedì 10 dicembre 2015 04:03<br>
> A: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org">alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>
> Oggetto: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alert -- Notice
of Preliminary<br>
> Determination To Grant Registrar Data Retention
Waiver Request for Ascio<br>
> Technologies, Inc. Danmark - filial af Ascio
Technologies, Inc. USA<br>
><br>
><br>
> [ICANN]<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.icann.org/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.icann.org/</a>><br>
> News Alert<br>
><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-12-09-en"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-12-09-en</a><br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
> Notice of Preliminary Determination To Grant
Registrar Data Retention<br>
> Waiver Request for Ascio Technologies, Inc. Danmark -
filial af Ascio<br>
> Technologies, Inc. USA<br>
><br>
> 9 December 2015<br>
><br>
> ICANN has made a preliminary determination that it is
prepared to grant a<br>
> data retention waiver request submitted by Registrar
Ascio Technologies,<br>
> Inc. Danmark - filial af Ascio Technologies, Inc. USA
("Ascio") under the<br>
2013<br>
> Registrar Accreditation Agreement (the "2013 RAA").
Section 2 of the Data<br>
> Retention Specification (the "Specification") of the
2013 RAA provides<br>
that<br>
> prior to granting any exemption under the
Specification, ICANN will post<br>
its<br>
> determination on the ICANN website for a period of
thirty (30) calendar<br>
days.<br>
><br>
> Pursuant to Section 2 of the Specification, Ascio has
submitted to ICANN a<br>
> Registrar data retention waiver request ("Waiver
Request") on the basis of<br>
> Ascio's contention that compliance with the data
collection and/or<br>
retention<br>
> requirements of the Specification violates applicable
law in Denmark.<br>
><br>
> The Waiver Request was accompanied by a written legal
opinion from a<br>
> nationally recognized law firm citing section 5 (5)
of the Danish Act on<br>
> Processing of Personal Data of 31 May 2000 (the
"DPPD"). That section<br>
> provides as follows (the following is an unofficial
English translation<br>
from<br>
> Danish):<br>
><br>
> Section 5 (5).<br>
><br>
> The data collected may not be kept in a form which
makes it possible to<br>
> identify the data subject for a longer period than is
necessary for the<br>
> purposes for which the data are processed.<br>
><br>
> Following receipt of the Waiver Request, and in
accordance with the 2013<br>
> RAA, ICANN through its legal counsel and Ascio
discussed the matter in<br>
good<br>
> faith in an effort to reach a mutually acceptable
resolution of the<br>
matter.<br>
><br>
> The outcome of those discussions is that Ascio is
seeking a waiver with<br>
> respect to Sections 1.1.1 through 1.1.8 of the
Specification that seeks to<br>
> reduce from two years to one year the period for
which these specified<br>
data<br>
> elements must be retained after the Registrar's
sponsorship of the<br>
> Registration ends.<br>
><br>
> ICANN has determined on a preliminary basis that it
is prepared to grant<br>
the<br>
> Waiver Request. ICANN is posting this preliminary
determination for a<br>
period<br>
> of thirty (30) calendar days to seek feedback and
input from the community<br>
> on the proposed data retention waiver. After the
thirty (30) calendar day<br>
> period following this posting has expired, ICANN will
consider all<br>
feedback<br>
> and input received before making a final
determination on whether to grant<br>
> the Waiver Request.<br>
><br>
> The scope of the proposed waiver would be to permit
Ascio to maintain the<br>
> information specified in Sections 1.1.1 through 1.1.8
of the Specification<br>
for<br>
> the duration of its sponsorship of the Registration
and for a period of<br>
one (1)<br>
> additional year thereafter rather than two (2)
additional years<br>
thereafter. In<br>
> all other respects the terms of the Specification
would remain AS-IS.<br>
><br>
> The specific change to the Specification would be
that, for the duration<br>
of the<br>
> Waiver, the retention requirement of Section 1.1 of
the Data Retention<br>
> Specification be changed from "two additional years"
to "one additional<br>
> year."<br>
><br>
> If ICANN does make a final determination to grant the
Waiver Request<br>
> sought by Ascio, the provisions of Section 3 of the
Specification would<br>
apply<br>
> to similar waivers requested by other registrars
located in Denmark and<br>
> subject to Danish law. Section 3 of the Specification
provides as follows:<br>
><br>
> If (i) ICANN has previously waived compliance with
the requirements of any<br>
> requirement of this Data Retention Specification in
response to a Waiver<br>
> Request from a registrar that is located in the same
jurisdiction as<br>
Registrar<br>
> and (ii) Registrar is subject to the same applicable
law that gave rise to<br>
> ICANN's agreement to grant such waiver, Registrar may
request that ICANN<br>
> to grant a similar waiver, which request shall be
approved by ICANN,<br>
unless<br>
> ICANN provides Registrar with a reasonable
justification for not approving<br>
> such request, in which case Registrar may thereafter
make an Wavier<br>
> Request pursuant to Section 2 of this Data Retention
Specification.<br>
><br>
> The Registrar's Waiver Request and supporting
documents are available<br>
> here: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/waiver-request-ascio-"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/waiver-request-ascio-</a><br>
> technologies-09dec15-en.pdf [PDF, 6.39 MB]<br>
><br>
> A public comment period will remain open until 23:59
UTC, 11 January 2016.<br>
> Public comments will be available for consideration
by ICANN staff and the<br>
> ICANN Board.<br>
><br>
> * Comments can be posted to:
comments-ascio-technologies-<br>
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