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14pt;font-family: Helvetica Neue;"><span style="font-family: Helvetica
Neue;">The thing to get our heads around is not that ICANN complies or
not with any of the myriad of laws around the world but that it feels
entitled to issue "waivers" as if it has any geo political legal
standing on laws. <br><br>This is a completely separate issue as to
whether any local laws are better suited to end-users needs and
interests.<br><br>C<br><br></span><br><span>Kan Kaili wrote:</span><br><blockquote
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<div><font face="宋体" size="2">Hi,</font></div>
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<div><font face="宋体" size="2">As a new member of ALAC and not being
aware of past ALAC statements on this issue, my guess is, ICANN wants to
avoid complying with ANY government laws and regulations in order to
show it
is determined to protect the end-users regardless. That is, while
European laws may stand to protect end-users' interest, laws of
other governments may not.</font></div>
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<div><font face="宋体" size="2">On the other hand, the current ICANN
policy of
granting waivers on a case-by-case basis, may not be the most economical
way to
achieve the desired purpose and might be improved.</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face="宋体" size="2">Again, this is only my personal guess.</font></div>
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<div><font face="宋体" size="2">Kaili</font></div>
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style="FONT: 9pt 宋体">----- Original Message ----- </div>
<div style="FONT: 9pt 宋体; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><b>From:</b>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" title="carlton.samuels@gmail.com"
href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">Carlton Samuels</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com"
href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com">Roberto Gaetano</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
title="at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">At-Large Worldwide</a> </div>
<div style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, December 15, 2015 6:03
AM</div>
<div style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [At-Large] I:
[ALAC-Announce]
ICANN News Alert -- Notice of Preliminary Determination To Grant
Registrar
Data Retention Waiver Request for Ascio Technologies, Inc. Danmark -
filial af
Ascio Technologies, Inc. USA</div>
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<div style="FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: large"
class="gmail_default">Join the club. The ALAC has pointed to the idiocy
in
several statements/advisories.</div>
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class="gmail_default"><br></div>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: comic sans ms,sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: large"
class="gmail_default">-Carlton</div></div>
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<div class="gmail_signature"><br>==============================<br>Carlton
A
Samuels<br>Mobile: 876-818-1799<br><i><font color="#33cc00">Strategy,
Planning,
Governance, Assessment &
Turnaround</font></i><br>=============================</div></div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Roberto
Gaetano <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" target="_blank">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px
0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">I am just wondering how
much this overhead does
cost.<br>Instead of complying with European law, ICANN has chosen to
disregard it,<br>and now is obliged to grant waivers one by one to
European
registrars.<br>Am I the only one who thinks that this is plain
silly?<br>Cheers,<br>R.<br><br><br><br>> -----Messaggio
originale-----<br>> Da: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alac-announce-">alac-announce-</a><br>>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>]
Per conto di ICANN At-Large Staff<br>> Inviato: giovedì 10
dicembre 2015
04:03<br>> A: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org">alac-announce@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a><br>>
Oggetto: [ALAC-Announce] ICANN News Alert -- Notice of Preliminary<br>>
Determination To Grant Registrar Data Retention Waiver Request for
Ascio<br>> Technologies, Inc. Danmark - filial af Ascio
Technologies,
Inc. USA<br>><br>><br>> [ICANN]<<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.icann.org/" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://www.icann.org/</a>><br>> News
Alert<br>><br>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-12-09-en"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2015-12-09-en</a><br>><br>>
________________________________<br>> Notice of Preliminary
Determination
To Grant Registrar Data Retention<br>> Waiver Request for Ascio
Technologies, Inc. Danmark - filial af Ascio<br>> Technologies,
Inc.
USA<br>><br>> 9 December 2015<br>><br>> ICANN has made a
preliminary determination that it is prepared to grant a<br>>
data
retention waiver request submitted by Registrar Ascio Technologies,<br>>
Inc. Danmark - filial af Ascio Technologies, Inc. USA ("Ascio")
under
the<br>2013<br>> Registrar Accreditation Agreement (the "2013
RAA").
Section 2 of the Data<br>> Retention Specification (the
"Specification")
of the 2013 RAA provides<br>that<br>> prior to granting any
exemption
under the Specification, ICANN will post<br>its<br>>
determination on the
ICANN website for a period of thirty (30) calendar<br>days.<br>><br>>
Pursuant to Section 2 of the Specification, Ascio has submitted to
ICANN
a<br>> Registrar data retention waiver request ("Waiver Request")
on the
basis of<br>> Ascio's contention that compliance with the data
collection
and/or<br>retention<br>> requirements of the Specification
violates
applicable law in Denmark.<br>><br>> The Waiver Request was
accompanied by a written legal opinion from a<br>> nationally
recognized
law firm citing section 5 (5) of the Danish Act on<br>>
Processing of
Personal Data of 31 May 2000 (the "DPPD"). That section<br>>
provides as
follows (the following is an unofficial English translation<br>from<br>>
Danish):<br>><br>> Section 5 (5).<br>><br>> The data
collected
may not be kept in a form which makes it possible to<br>>
identify the
data subject for a longer period than is necessary for the<br>>
purposes
for which the data are processed.<br>><br>> Following receipt
of the
Waiver Request, and in accordance with the 2013<br>> RAA, ICANN
through
its legal counsel and Ascio discussed the matter in<br>good<br>>
faith in
an effort to reach a mutually acceptable resolution of
the<br>matter.<br>><br>> The outcome of those discussions is
that
Ascio is seeking a waiver with<br>> respect to Sections 1.1.1
through
1.1.8 of the Specification that seeks to<br>> reduce from two
years to
one year the period for which these specified<br>data<br>>
elements must
be retained after the Registrar's sponsorship of the<br>>
Registration
ends.<br>><br>> ICANN has determined on a preliminary basis
that it is
prepared to grant<br>the<br>> Waiver Request. ICANN is posting
this
preliminary determination for a<br>period<br>> of thirty (30)
calendar
days to seek feedback and input from the community<br>> on the
proposed
data retention waiver. After the thirty (30) calendar day<br>>
period
following this posting has expired, ICANN will consider
all<br>feedback<br>> and input received before making a final
determination on whether to grant<br>> the Waiver
Request.<br>><br>> The scope of the proposed waiver would be
to permit
Ascio to maintain the<br>> information specified in Sections
1.1.1
through 1.1.8 of the Specification<br>for<br>> the duration of
its
sponsorship of the Registration and for a period of<br>one (1)<br>>
additional year thereafter rather than two (2) additional
years<br>thereafter. In<br>> all other respects the terms of the
Specification would remain AS-IS.<br>><br>> The specific
change to the
Specification would be that, for the duration<br>of the<br>>
Waiver, the
retention requirement of Section 1.1 of the Data Retention<br>>
Specification be changed from "two additional years" to "one
additional<br>> year."<br>><br>> If ICANN does make a final
determination to grant the Waiver Request<br>> sought by Ascio,
the
provisions of Section 3 of the Specification would<br>apply<br>>
to
similar waivers requested by other registrars located in Denmark and<br>>
subject to Danish law. Section 3 of the Specification provides as
follows:<br>><br>> If (i) ICANN has previously waived
compliance with
the requirements of any<br>> requirement of this Data Retention
Specification in response to a Waiver<br>> Request from a
registrar that
is located in the same jurisdiction as<br>Registrar<br>> and (ii)
Registrar is subject to the same applicable law that gave rise to<br>>
ICANN's agreement to grant such waiver, Registrar may request that
ICANN<br>> to grant a similar waiver, which request shall be
approved by
ICANN,<br>unless<br>> ICANN provides Registrar with a reasonable
justification for not approving<br>> such request, in which case
Registrar may thereafter make an Wavier<br>> Request pursuant to
Section
2 of this Data Retention Specification.<br>><br>> The
Registrar's
Waiver Request and supporting documents are available<br>> here: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/waiver-request-ascio-"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/waiver-request-ascio-</a><br>>
technologies-09dec15-en.pdf [PDF, 6.39 MB]<br>><br>> A public
comment
period will remain open until 23:59 UTC, 11 January 2016.<br>>
Public
comments will be available for consideration by ICANN staff and the<br>>
ICANN Board.<br>><br>> * Comments can be
posted to: comments-ascio-technologies-<br>> <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:09dec15@icann.org">09dec15@icann.org</a><mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:comments-ascio-technologies-">comments-ascio-technologies-</a><br>>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:09dec15@icann.org">09dec15@icann.org</a>><br>>
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