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<div>Olivier</div>
<div> You have raised some interesting question that can be the base of our position paper. As the foundation I am chair of the board here ( a large one0 was not accepted by NCUC when I have been candidate it to NPOC ( some years ago) I do believe we need much
more clarity here and responding to your questions may start an interesting process to define what we believe.</div>
<div>I believe there are real differences among all kind of not for profit included inside the Civil Society as well as , in a separated slot – academia. </div>
<div>I agree to have an specific call among us to debate some questions , we shall start listing the main questions and of course your first 4 below is already part of it IMO. </div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span><<a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>> on behalf of Olivier Crepin-Leblond<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, December 14, 2015 at 8:48 AM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Glenn McKnight, Roberto Gaetano<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>'At-Large Worldwide'<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [At-Large] R: I: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation - Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to discuss Implementation<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Hello all,<br>
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as you know, I am a supporter of the Civil Society initiative. But reading the discussion here, I feel that there are indeed a lot of unanswered questions and I sense a real concern (even worry!) from many in At-Large that the initiative has the potential to
weaken the At-Large community by dividing it, especially when it comes to policy issues. We all know that, as a group that incorporates non commercial, commercial, technical and academic communities, we often have different points of view than purely civil
society organisations. Indeed, our priorities are sometimes different.<br>
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I sense that in order to address all of the concerns that we have, our community needs a call with the leaders of this program, Adam Peake and Jean-Jacques Sahel. The currently proposed call on Wed 16 December is unsuitable for this concern as these are purely
questions related to At-Large and interpretation will not be provided. (why?)<br>
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My questions on any such conference call would be based on the imbalance caused within our community if the Civil Society Initiative went ahead without similar initiatives for our commercial, technical & academic At-Large Structures.<br>
1. Are there going to be similar initiatives for Commercial, Technical & Academic communities?<br>
(reminder: I was told "yes" a few months ago - I'd like to know where we are on these)<br>
2. Are At-Large Structures that are not classed as Civil Society going to be discriminated against? (in CROPP funding, in IGF workshops, etc.)<br>
3. Is the ALAC itself going to be discriminated against as it is not 100% Civil Society?<br>
4. Are any parts of the proposal aiming to have "Civil Society" come to consensus on policy related matters, irrespective of the current NCSG or At-Large boundaries?<br>
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Kindest regards,<br>
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Olivier<br>
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The problem with the document starts without a common definition of What is Civil Society. I have added a document that addresses that issue. I fear that if we lack a proper definition we will see ATLARGE being outside the parameters of this measure<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Roberto Gaetano <span dir="ltr">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">Seun,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">In EURALO we have occasionally de-certified ALSes that were no longer compliant.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" lang="EN-US">I would assume that this would be the case in all RALOs.</span></p>
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<b>Inviato:</b> domenica 13 dicembre 2015 22:43<br>
<b>A:</b> Roberto Gaetano<br>
<b>Cc:</b> At-Large Worldwide<br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [At-Large] I: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation - Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to discuss Implementation</span></p>
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<p>On Dec 13, 2015 22:14, "Roberto Gaetano" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" target="_blank"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> . Therefore, the ALS, when certified, is guaranteed not to be promoting for-profit or government agendas.<br>
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> Can we have this straightened up once and for good?<br>
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SO: +1 the wording of staff sure needs to be corrected. I would have thought they are referring to the processes ALS members participate in. For instance some ALS members participate in regional technical meetings et all. Even if that is the intent, a rewording
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<p>> Alternatively, may I know which are the At-Large Structures that allegedly “represent business interests”?<br>
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SO: Actually this should be looked into at At-Large level (aside this particular subject), there may be need for occasional audit to determine if certified ALS status has indeed changed to being for-profit as I expect that due diligence is usually done during
initial application to ensure such is not the case.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>> Cheers,<br>
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> Da: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">
alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org" target="_blank">alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>] Per conto di ICANN At-Large Staff<br>
> Inviato: venerdì 11 dicembre 2015 15:12<br>
> A: ALAC Announce<br>
> Oggetto: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation - Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to discuss Implementation<br>
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> On behalf of Jean-Jacques Sahel and Adam Peake<br>
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> Dear All,<br>
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> Please find below participation details for Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to discuss Implementation on Wednesday 16 Dec 2015 at 14:00 UTC<br>
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> This call is for ICANN Staff and the community to start planning together joint activities and other deliverables such as new content production for the coming months, under the new civil society engagement approach.<br>
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> A draft agenda will be circulated for comments shortly. <br>
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> Please remember that you can comment on the draft Civil Society engagement strategy by end of Friday 11 December here: <br>
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> The revised document will be circulated ahead of the call on December 16. <br>
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> This call will be in English only.<br>
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> Thank you.<br>
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> Regards,<br>
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> Jean-Jacques Sahel & Adam Peake<br>
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