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    Hello all,<br>
    <br>
    as you know, I am a supporter of the Civil Society initiative. But
    reading the discussion here, I feel that there are indeed a lot of
    unanswered questions and I sense a real concern (even worry!) from
    many in At-Large that the initiative has the potential to weaken the
    At-Large community by dividing it, especially when it comes to
    policy issues. We all know that, as a group that incorporates non
    commercial, commercial, technical and academic communities, we often
    have different points of view than purely civil society
    organisations. Indeed, our priorities are sometimes different.<br>
    <br>
    I sense that in order to address all of the concerns that we have,
    our community needs a call with the leaders of this program, Adam
    Peake and Jean-Jacques Sahel. The currently proposed call on Wed 16
    December is unsuitable for this concern as these are purely
    questions related to At-Large and interpretation will not be
    provided. (why?)<br>
    <br>
    My questions on any such conference call would be based on the
    imbalance caused within our community if the Civil Society
    Initiative went ahead without similar initiatives for our
    commercial, technical &amp; academic At-Large Structures.<br>
    1. Are there going to be similar initiatives for Commercial,
    Technical &amp; Academic communities?<br>
    (reminder: I was told "yes" a few months ago - I'd like to know
    where we are on these)<br>
    2. Are At-Large Structures that are not classed as Civil Society
    going to be discriminated against? (in CROPP funding, in IGF
    workshops, etc.)<br>
    3. Is the ALAC itself going to be discriminated against as it is not
    100% Civil Society?<br>
    4. Are any parts of the proposal aiming to have "Civil Society" come
    to consensus on policy related matters, irrespective of the current
    NCSG or At-Large boundaries?<br>
    <br>
    Kindest regards,<br>
    <br>
    Olivier<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/12/2015 23:06, Glenn McKnight
      wrote:<br>
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            <div>Hi  All<br>
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            The  problem with the document starts  without a common
            definition of  What is Civil Society.  I have added a
            document  that  addresses that issue.  I fear that  if we 
            lack a proper  definition we will see  ATLARGE  being 
            outside the parameters  of this measure<br>
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          Attached<br>
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        Glenn<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Glenn McKnight<br>
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                href="mailto:mcknight.glenn@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcknight.glenn@gmail.com</a><br>
              skype  gmcknight<br>
              twitter gmcknight<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 4:57 PM,
          Roberto Gaetano <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com" target="_blank">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a>&gt;</span>
          wrote:<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-US">Seun,</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-US">In EURALO we have occasionally
                    de-certified ALSes that were no longer compliant.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-US">I would assume that this would be the
                    case in all RALOs.</span></p>
                <p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-US">There is an issue of credibility of
                    ALAC at stake.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"
                    lang="EN-US">R.</span></p>
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                      <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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                          UI&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Seun Ojedeji
                          [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>]
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                          <b>Inviato:</b> domenica 13 dicembre 2015
                          22:43<br>
                          <b>A:</b> Roberto Gaetano<br>
                          <b>Cc:</b> At-Large Worldwide<br>
                          <b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [At-Large] I:
                          [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation - Civil
                          Society Engagement Approach: Call to discuss
                          Implementation</span></p>
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                      <p>On Dec 13, 2015 22:14, "Roberto Gaetano" &lt;<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com"
                          target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com">roberto_gaetano@hotmail.com</a></a>&gt;
                        wrote:<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; . Therefore, the ALS, when certified, is
                        guaranteed not to be promoting for-profit or
                        government agendas.<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; Can we have this straightened up once and
                        for good?<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        SO: +1 the wording of staff sure needs to be
                        corrected. I would have thought they are
                        referring to the processes ALS members
                        participate in. For instance some ALS members
                        participate in regional technical meetings et
                        all. Even if that is the intent, a rewording is
                        still required.</p>
                      <p>&gt; Alternatively, may I know which are the
                        At-Large Structures that allegedly “represent
                        business interests”?<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        SO: Actually this should be looked into at
                        At-Large level (aside this particular subject),
                        there may be need for occasional audit to
                        determine if certified ALS status has indeed
                        changed to being for-profit as I expect that due
                        diligence is usually done during initial
                        application to ensure such is not the case.</p>
                      <p>Regards</p>
                      <p>&gt; Cheers,<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; Roberto<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt;  <br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt;  <br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; Da: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
                          target="_blank">alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>
                        [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org"
                          target="_blank">alac-announce-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>]
                        Per conto di ICANN At-Large Staff<br>
                        &gt; Inviato: venerdì 11 dicembre 2015 15:12<br>
                        &gt; A: ALAC Announce<br>
                        &gt; Oggetto: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation
                        - Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to
                        discuss Implementation<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt;  <br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; On behalf of Jean-Jacques Sahel and Adam
                        Peake<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt;  <br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; Dear All,<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt;  <br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; Please find below participation details
                        for Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to
                        discuss Implementation on Wednesday 16 Dec 2015
                        at 14:00 UTC<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt;  <br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; This call is for ICANN Staff and the
                        community to start planning together joint
                        activities and other deliverables such as new
                        content production for the coming months, under
                        the new civil society engagement approach.<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt;  <br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; A draft agenda will be circulated for
                        comments shortly. <br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt;  <br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; Please remember that you can comment on the
                        draft Civil Society engagement strategy by end
                        of Friday 11 December here: <br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xC5pxWr4uzkU_Uoi3guGFEFrP9LHYk_KV11mRlBcqWQ/edit?pli=1"
                          target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xC5pxWr4uzkU_Uoi3guGFEFrP9LHYk_KV11mRlBcqWQ/edit?pli=1</a><br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt;  <br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; The revised document will be circulated
                        ahead of the call on December 16. <br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt;  <br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; This call will be in English only.<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt;  <br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; Thank you.<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; Regards,<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; Jean-Jacques Sahel &amp; Adam Peake<br>
                        &gt;<br>
                        &gt; <br>
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