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Hello all,<br>
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as you know, I am a supporter of the Civil Society initiative. But
reading the discussion here, I feel that there are indeed a lot of
unanswered questions and I sense a real concern (even worry!) from
many in At-Large that the initiative has the potential to weaken the
At-Large community by dividing it, especially when it comes to
policy issues. We all know that, as a group that incorporates non
commercial, commercial, technical and academic communities, we often
have different points of view than purely civil society
organisations. Indeed, our priorities are sometimes different.<br>
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I sense that in order to address all of the concerns that we have,
our community needs a call with the leaders of this program, Adam
Peake and Jean-Jacques Sahel. The currently proposed call on Wed 16
December is unsuitable for this concern as these are purely
questions related to At-Large and interpretation will not be
provided. (why?)<br>
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My questions on any such conference call would be based on the
imbalance caused within our community if the Civil Society
Initiative went ahead without similar initiatives for our
commercial, technical & academic At-Large Structures.<br>
1. Are there going to be similar initiatives for Commercial,
Technical & Academic communities?<br>
(reminder: I was told "yes" a few months ago - I'd like to know
where we are on these)<br>
2. Are At-Large Structures that are not classed as Civil Society
going to be discriminated against? (in CROPP funding, in IGF
workshops, etc.)<br>
3. Is the ALAC itself going to be discriminated against as it is not
100% Civil Society?<br>
4. Are any parts of the proposal aiming to have "Civil Society" come
to consensus on policy related matters, irrespective of the current
NCSG or At-Large boundaries?<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13/12/2015 23:06, Glenn McKnight
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The problem with the document starts without a common
definition of What is Civil Society. I have added a
document that addresses that issue. I fear that if we
lack a proper definition we will see ATLARGE being
outside the parameters of this measure<br>
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Glenn<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 4:57 PM,
Roberto Gaetano <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">In EURALO we have occasionally
de-certified ALSes that were no longer compliant.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">I would assume that this would be the
case in all RALOs.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"
lang="EN-US">There is an issue of credibility of
ALAC at stake.</span></p>
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<b>Inviato:</b> domenica 13 dicembre 2015
22:43<br>
<b>A:</b> Roberto Gaetano<br>
<b>Cc:</b> At-Large Worldwide<br>
<b>Oggetto:</b> Re: [At-Large] I:
[ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation - Civil
Society Engagement Approach: Call to discuss
Implementation</span></p>
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<p>On Dec 13, 2015 22:14, "Roberto Gaetano" <<a
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wrote:<br>
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> . Therefore, the ALS, when certified, is
guaranteed not to be promoting for-profit or
government agendas.<br>
><br>
> Can we have this straightened up once and
for good?<br>
><br>
SO: +1 the wording of staff sure needs to be
corrected. I would have thought they are
referring to the processes ALS members
participate in. For instance some ALS members
participate in regional technical meetings et
all. Even if that is the intent, a rewording is
still required.</p>
<p>> Alternatively, may I know which are the
At-Large Structures that allegedly “represent
business interests”?<br>
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SO: Actually this should be looked into at
At-Large level (aside this particular subject),
there may be need for occasional audit to
determine if certified ALS status has indeed
changed to being for-profit as I expect that due
diligence is usually done during initial
application to ensure such is not the case.</p>
<p>Regards</p>
<p>> Cheers,<br>
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> Roberto<br>
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> Da: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Per conto di ICANN At-Large Staff<br>
> Inviato: venerdì 11 dicembre 2015 15:12<br>
> A: ALAC Announce<br>
> Oggetto: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation
- Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to
discuss Implementation<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> On behalf of Jean-Jacques Sahel and Adam
Peake<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> Dear All,<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> Please find below participation details
for Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to
discuss Implementation on Wednesday 16 Dec 2015
at 14:00 UTC<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> This call is for ICANN Staff and the
community to start planning together joint
activities and other deliverables such as new
content production for the coming months, under
the new civil society engagement approach.<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> A draft agenda will be circulated for
comments shortly. <br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> Please remember that you can comment on the
draft Civil Society engagement strategy by end
of Friday 11 December here: <br>
><br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xC5pxWr4uzkU_Uoi3guGFEFrP9LHYk_KV11mRlBcqWQ/edit?pli=1"
target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xC5pxWr4uzkU_Uoi3guGFEFrP9LHYk_KV11mRlBcqWQ/edit?pli=1</a><br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> The revised document will be circulated
ahead of the call on December 16. <br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> This call will be in English only.<br>
><br>
> <br>
><br>
> Thank you.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
> Jean-Jacques Sahel & Adam Peake<br>
><br>
> <br>
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