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<font face="Verdana">Evan<br>
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I am even more surprised by your email - although there is
completely honestly written all over it, and that from
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gbruen@knujon.com">gbruen@knujon.com</a> that followed yours.<br>
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I am not sure what and whim exactly you </font><font
face="Verdana">are </font><font face="Verdana">so completely
disgruntled with . I am sure you are aware of<a
href="https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Cross+Community+Working+Group+on+Enhancing+ICANN+Accountability+2nd+Draft+Report+%28Work+Stream+1%29+Workspace">
this statement from ALAC</a> on the ICANN oversight issue which
says<br>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 0.35cm">"The ALAC is generally supportive
of
the overall proposal. Although the ALAC preference was to have
less
“enforceability” and a lighter-weight proposal than preferred by
some other groups in ICANN,......"</p>
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</style>which represents a position whose status quo-ism is beaten only
by the Board's own position.<br>
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So, when you criticise the Board for not listening to you/ ALAC I
am not how to square that with this status quoist statement of
ALAC, which refuses to make any structural changes to the current
power configuration.<br>
<br>
I am really even more puzzled. Will the real ALAC stand up!<br>
<br>
More later, but the above has further confused me.<br>
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parminder<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Saturday 10 October 2015 08:08 PM,
Evan Leibovitch wrote:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet
ms',sans-serif"><font><font>Speaking for myself only...</font></font></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet
ms',sans-serif"><font><font class="">The ALAC has a number of
people on the CCWG itself, so in that that sense At-Large
has been central to that very confrontation with the Board
which you note.</font></font></div>
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<div class="gmail_default">But beyond that, what are your
expectations? Fiery protest? An avalanche of advice
statements? Caustic op-ed pieces in DomainIncite?</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet
ms',sans-serif">Speaking for nobody but myself ... an example
of the complacency that bothers you ... I think there's some
war-weariness settling in.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet
ms',sans-serif">On the ground, very little that ALAC does
seems to policy-wise have much real consequence. On an issue
that (by name!) impacted our community the most in the TLD
expansion -- Public Interest Commitments -- we were ignored
before it was invented, and rebuffed after we complained that
it did not serve its claimed purpose. This was serious enough
that we called for a freeze of new gTLD deliveries, which led
to a series of high-level discussions that .... burned a lot
of volunteer time before being shut down with no change.</div>
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ms',sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet
ms',sans-serif">In essence we were powerless to affect even
the facet of ICANN that most directly impacted end-users. What
chance does it have elsewhere?</div>
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ms',sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet
ms',sans-serif">(In other words, from the PoV of end-user
influence in ICANN policy, you can't get worse than powerless
and we're already there.)</div>
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ms',sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet
ms',sans-serif">Compound this with the time demanded to
understand the complex CCWG issues. But At-Large, almost by
definition, is not comprised of policy wonks, but rather of
casual participants to whom ICANN is just one small corridor
inside the Internet Governance labyrinth. Very few At-Largers
would call Internet Governance a profession, and have the time
to completely follow a really archaic process such as the IANA
handoff.</div>
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ms',sans-serif"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet
ms',sans-serif"><font><font class="">Meanwhile, there are
other components of the labyrinth -- traffic blocking,
site takedowns, zero-rating, RTBF -- that can make the
fussing over domain names look trivial by comparison.
ICANN attracts its level of attention because of the money
floating around, not because its issues are the most
critical to Internet users.</font></font></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet
ms',sans-serif">So... combine a sense that the public interest
will continue to be ignored regardless of who oversees ICANN,
together with these other factors, and perhaps the result is
the seeming complacency that appears to irritate.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'trebuchet
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 10 October 2015 at 13:13, parminder
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net" target="_blank">parminder@itforchange.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I cannot
but note with considerable surprise and disappoinment that
when<br>
everyone with any thing ever to do with ICANN is currently
hotly<br>
debating the issue of the stand off between the ICANN board
and CCWG on<br>
ICANN accountability, ALAC remains so aloof from the
issue.... When this<br>
should prima facie be the one part of the ICANN structure,
as<br>
representing the peripheries, that should be most bothered
by efforts at<br>
concentration of power, or of holding on it, vis a vis the
rights of<br>
the public.<br>
<br>
I have not been able to follow the process closely, but if I
am right<br>
-and please correct me if I am not - even in the earlier
discussions<br>
ALAC has been most lukewarm to any kind of structural
changes that could<br>
indeed place an effective oversight of the 'community' over
the ICANN<br>
board, when as said ALAC is the one group that should be
most keen on<br>
institutionalising such checks over centralisation of power
with the<br>
ICANN board. Can anyone explain me why it is so. It really
intrigues me,<br>
and I am sure I am missing something here.<br>
<br>
Thanks, parminder<br>
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