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Whistleblower process, yes absolutely.<br>
Over-ruling by an unaccountable party, no.<br>
<br>
Government intimidation is one thing. Corporate intimidation is a
reality we also need to watch out for.<br>
<br>
Kind regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/10/2015 17:20, Ron Baione wrote:<br>
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<div>""I'll repeat Larry Strickling's words, which I agree
with 100%: "Why is<br>
it that so many in the ICANN community feel that a Board
member which<br>
they have appointed THEMSELVES turns into a pariah the
moment he/she is<br>
appointed? ""<br>
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Personally, I believe they turn into auto-pariah's
unless there is an efficient and independent external
whistleblower process to prevent and discourage bad
actor government involvement and other forms of
intimidation. No internal process is sufficient in my
opinion.<br>
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Ron</div>
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<hr size="1"> <b> <span style="font-weight:bold">From:</span>
</b> Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"><ocl@gih.com></a>; <br>
<b> <span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span> </b>
parminder <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:parminder@itforchange.net"><parminder@itforchange.net></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org"><at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org></a>; <br>
<b> <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span> </b>
Re: [At-Large] ICANN oversight <br>
<b> <span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span> </b>
Sat, Oct 10, 2015 3:38:26 PM <br>
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<td valign="top">Dear Parminder,<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
my personal point of view is that whilst I am
comfortable with some<br clear="none">
additional accountability measures to be ingrained
in ICANN's DNA in<br clear="none">
order to prevent the Board from going rogue, I am
very uncomfortable<br clear="none">
with giving all of the power to the Community to
overrule the Board<br clear="none">
*without additional checks and balances imposed on
the community too*.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Some aspects of the community proposal would
effectively create a shadow<br clear="none">
Board that would overrule the ICANN Board and this
shadow Board would<br clear="none">
have no accountability mechanisms whatsoever. It
would not be bound to<br clear="none">
all of the reviews which the ICANN Board is bound
to. It would not have<br clear="none">
any appeal mechanism. It would not have any
fiduciary responsibility and<br clear="none">
liability. Nothing. The shadow Board would be the
most direct way to<br clear="none">
capture and to use as a tool to blackmail ICANN into
doing things that<br clear="none">
it should not do.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
I'll repeat Larry Strickling's words, which I agree
with 100%: "Why is<br clear="none">
it that so many in the ICANN community feel that a
Board member which<br clear="none">
they have appointed THEMSELVES turns into a pariah
the moment he/she is<br clear="none">
appointed? "<br clear="none">
And do not tell me that SOs & ACs have no say in
the appointment of<br clear="none">
NomCom appointed Board members: the NomCom is made
up of people from the<br clear="none">
community appointed by their SOs and ACs. NomCom
members work together<br clear="none">
to find the best people for ICANN.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
On the topic of needing to have a set of
accountability mechanisms that<br clear="none">
create a legal entity so that the mechanisms can be
enforced in a court,<br clear="none">
I am even more unhappy. "Enforced in a court" means
"enforced in a US<br clear="none">
Court" - have you ever checked the cost of US
lawyers? Only the rich<br clear="none">
will be able to do that. The ALAC has no chance
whatsoever to use that<br clear="none">
mechanism. Then I am told, "no, ICANN will fund both
parties in the<br clear="none">
lawsuit" - WOW, what a great tool to destroy the
organisation by suing<br clear="none">
itself and depleting itself of all resources it has
by paying lawyers<br clear="none">
ad-infinitum to inflict itself wounds. Really?<br
clear="none">
<br clear="none">
A shadow Board, self appointed, with no checks and
balances, would only<br clear="none">
serve those with the money and time to spend 24/7 on
ICANN issues. Pure<br clear="none">
volunteers like the ALAC would not have the time to
spend on this,<br clear="none">
leaving only those with a direct vested interest
(and being paid for it)<br clear="none">
being able to spend the time on this. If you want to
hand over ICANN<br clear="none">
control to corporate interests and the domain name
industry (in its<br clear="none">
widest sense) from rich English-speaking countries
then agree to the<br clear="none">
current proposals as they stand. I do not want to
see that.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
The Board has a duty to balance the points of view
in the community and<br clear="none">
make sure the weaker parts of the community are also
supported. A shadow<br clear="none">
board will just be the perfect environment for loud
mouths, bullies and<br clear="none">
deep pockets.<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Kindest regards,<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
Olivier<br clear="none">
(as I said, just my personal views)<br clear="none">
<br clear="none">
On 10/10/2015 12:13, parminder wrote:<br
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> I cannot but note with considerable surprise
and disappoinment that when<br clear="none">
> everyone with any thing ever to do with ICANN
is currently hotly<br clear="none">
> debating the issue of the stand off between the
ICANN board and CCWG on<br clear="none">
> ICANN accountability, ALAC remains so aloof
from the issue.... When this<br clear="none">
> should prima facie be the one part of the ICANN
structure, as<br clear="none">
> representing the peripheries, that should be
most bothered by efforts at<br clear="none">
> concentration of power, or of holding on it,
vis a vis the rights of<br clear="none">
> the public.<br clear="none">
><br clear="none">
> I have not been able to follow the process
closely, but if I am right <br clear="none">
> -and please correct me if I am not - even in
the earlier discussions<br clear="none">
> ALAC has been most lukewarm to any kind of
structural changes that could<br clear="none">
> indeed place an effective oversight of the
'community' over the ICANN<br clear="none">
> board, when as said ALAC is the one group that
should be most keen on<br clear="none">
> institutionalising such checks over
centralisation of power with the<br clear="none">
> ICANN board. Can anyone explain me why it is
so. It really intrigues me,<br clear="none">
> and I am sure I am missing something here.<br
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> Thanks, parminder<br clear="none">
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