<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Olivier. Supporting your text, as a whole. Thankypu. +1 CW<div><br><div><div>On 24 Jul 2015, at 17:10, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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FYI. Tom has found my suggested text to be acceptable.<br>
Kind regards,<br>
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Olivier<br>
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Thanks Tom. I am trying to deliberately make the list as generic
as possible because if we go to further detail then we'll have
people complaining we did not go into details in listing other
category of TLDs, like Community TLDs. Would the following text
work:<br>
"How would city administrators, businesses, people using City TLDs
have their voice heard in GNSO processes"?<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
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Olivier<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/07/2015 04:14, Thomas
Lowenhaupt wrote:<br>
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<div>Olivier,</div>
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<div>Just to be clear, here's my recommended text:</div>
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<div><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; "><span style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; "><span style="font-size:
14pt;"><span style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">"How
would city administrators, businesses, health,
education, and cultural entities, and ordinary
people using City TLDs have their voice heard in
GNSO processes"?</span></span></span></span></div>
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<div>Thanks again,</div>
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<div>Tom</div>
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<div>Olivier,</div>
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<div>Sounds good. I'd suggest one change.</div>
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<div>Where it says: "How would the people using City
TLDs have their voice heard"</div>
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<div><span mce_style="font-size: 14pt;" style="font-size: 14pt;"><span mce_style="color:
#888888;" style="color: rgb(136, 136, 136);">I'd
elaborate a bit to show the complexity, thus:
"How would city administrators, businesses,
health, education, and cultural entities, and
ordinary people using City TLDs have their
voice heard in GNSO processes"?</span></span></div>
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<div>Thanks,</div>
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Subject: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] [ALAC-Announce] CALL
FOR COMMENTS: ALAC<br>
Statement on the Draft Report: Review of the Generic
Names Supporting<br>
Organization<br>
From: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ocl@gih.com">ocl@gih.com</a>><br>
Date: Thu, July 23, 2015 8:04 pm<br>
To: <a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank" href="mailto:alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org">alac@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>,
At-Large Worldwide<br>
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" target="_blank" href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>><br>
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Hello everyone,<br>
<br>
thank you very much for your comments which have
been very helpful.<br>
<span mce_style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><br>
I suggest appending the following text to the
reply to Recommendation #23<o:p></o:p></span>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;;"><span mce_style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1
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EN-US;" style="font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:Symbol;mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><span mce_style="mso-list: Ignore;" style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span mce_style="font: 7.0pt "Times New
Roman";" style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman""> </span></span></span><span mce_style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">The
ICANN core value cited as the reason the Report
provides for more constituencies is about broad
participation in policy making.<span mce_style="mso-spacerun: yes;" style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>The
formation of more constituencies is not the only
way to expand participation, and it ignores the
existence and role of the ALAC.<span mce_style="mso-spacerun: yes;" style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>ALAC, with
its representatives from five regions, from a
wide range of language groups and myriad
internet user groups is far better placed to
provide that broad participation. A better and
more achievable way to achieve the broad
participation sought is to support and encourage
ALAC members to engage in policy processes.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Also adding the following main text in the General
Comments Section:<br>
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<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;;"><span mce_style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Whilst
the ALAC support almost all of the
recommendations made in the Westlake Report, the
ALAC is concerned that the vast majority of the
recommendations focus on GNSO Working Groups and
suggest making small adjustments rather than
taking a serious look at the GNSO Council's
bicameral structure.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;;"><span mce_style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Examples
of areas for review are numerous and not limited
to:<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Roman";" style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman""> </span></span></span><span mce_style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">The
current structure of the GNSO Council provides
the ability for a more united vote in the
Contracted Party House whilst fragmenting the
Non-Contracted Party house to the point of
imbalance. The unprecedented growth of
Contracted Parties caused by the new gTLD
Program has not been addressed. What might have
been a homogeneous Constituency might now be
more heterogeneous and the potential
consequences of this change have not been
studied. For example, City TLDs are an entirely
new breed of Registry; so are Brand TLDs. How
does this affect the current status quo? How
would the people using City TLDs have their
voice heard<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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lfo2"><span mce_style="font-family: Symbol;
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Roman";" style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman""> </span></span></span><span mce_style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Other
commenters in the At-Large Community have noted
that the proposals for more geographically
balanced representation appeared to be focused
on finding new participants from outside the
GNSO’s usual territory. A question to ask is how
many gTLD registries and gTLDs are domiciled
both legally and operationally in each of the
ICANN regions both before and after the recent
expansion of gTLD space under the GNSO's
auspices. The Westlake Review misses on the
opportunity to potentially reveal a hidden
pattern that the ICANN GNSO is self-reinforcing
the domain name business geopolitically and
whether that is underpinning the Westlake
observation of the concentration of the GNSO’s
constituencies as North American and European.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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lfo2"><span mce_style="font-family: Symbol;
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Roman";" style="font:7.0pt "Times
New Roman""> </span></span></span><span mce_style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">GNSO
Working Groups are open for all participants
including non-GNSO Constituency members – but
the GNSO Council, thanks to its very structure,
has the ability to affect a working group’s
results. Voting is one of the ways to support or
halt recommendations from a bottom-up PDP.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;;"><span mce_style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">The
ALAC believes that the complex issues of GNSO
structure and processes need to be studied now.
The ALAC reminds the Reviewers of the At-Large
Future Challenges Working Group R3 White Paper (<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/correspondence-01oct12-en.htm"></a><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/correspondence-01oct12-en.htm">http://www.atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/correspondence-01oct12-en.htm</a>
) drafted in 2012 and containing proposals that
should be explored.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;;"><span mce_style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></div>
<div class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;;"><span mce_style="mso-ansi-language: EN-US;" style="mso-ansi-language:EN-US" lang="EN-US">Reinforcing
ALAC’s view is its recollection of several of
its members that during the first GNSO Review,
it was understood that Constituencies and the
creation of “Stakeholder Groups” were going to
be reviewed at the next iteration. Tragically,
this is missing from the current report.<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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As we only have 24 hours until the closing of the
comment period, please let me know ASAP if this is
satisfactory.<br>
<br>
Kindest regards,<br>
<br>
Olivier
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