<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks for this bit of research, Ariel...this is indeed a valuable input.<br><br><br><br><br><br></div>satish<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:28 PM, Ariel Liang <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ariel.liang@icann.org" target="_blank">ariel.liang@icann.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello All,<br>
<br>
(Pitch in my two cents as a Chinese)<br>
<br>
I did a bit research and found out that China's state media (including<br>
Xinhua, <a href="http://people.cn" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">people.cn</a>, CCTV) have been using the term Global Internet<br>
Governance Alliance (全球互联网治理联盟）to refer to NETmundial Initiative<br>
since<br>
January this year, if not earlier:<br>
- <a href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/politics/2015-01/22/c_1114096527.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://news.xinhuanet.com/politics/2015-01/22/c_1114096527.htm</a><br>
- <a href="http://world.people.com.cn/n/2015/0701/c1002-27239867.html" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://world.people.com.cn/n/2015/0701/c1002-27239867.html</a><br>
- <a href="http://bit.ly/1S3c8bJ" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/1S3c8bJ</a><br>
<br>
There is also a Baidu Baike page (China’s equivalent of wikipedia) about<br>
NMI (<a href="http://bit.ly/1Th0JYh" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/1Th0JYh</a>), which is also referred to as Global Internet<br>
Governance Alliance (全球互联网治理联盟).<br>
<br>
This confusion is likely caused by translation. The term NETmundial seems<br>
to be translated into Chinese based on the meaning and the mission of the<br>
organization (NETmundial = Global Internet Governance = 全球互联网治理).<br>
When the<br>
Chinese reporter(s) wrote about NETmundial in English, I suspect that they<br>
referred to NMI’s Chinese translated term and translated it literally back<br>
into English, hence NETmundial Initiative has become Global Internet<br>
Governance Alliance. So the term was lost in translation (EN —> ZH —> EN).<br>
<br>
I will check with our colleagues in Beijing who may have connections to<br>
the reporter(s). They may help sort out this naming confusion.<br>
<br>
Thank you,<br>
Ariel<br>
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From: <Subrenat>, Jean-Jacques <<a href="mailto:jjs@dyalog.net">jjs@dyalog.net</a>><br>
Date: Monday, July 6, 2015 at 4:30 AM<br>
To: Evan Leibovitch <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>><br>
Cc: PacNOG <<a href="mailto:pacnog@pacnog.org">pacnog@pacnog.org</a>>, Cecily FAASAU <<a href="mailto:cf@regulator.gov.ws">cf@regulator.gov.ws</a>>,<br>
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Subject: Re: [APAC-Discuss] [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">Internet Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA<br>
<br>
>Hello,<br>
><br>
>having taken part in the face-to-face meeting of the NetMundial<br>
>Initiative Coordination Council (NMI/CC, Sao Paulo 29-30 June 2015), but<br>
>writing in a private capacity, I find it useful to clarify a few points :<br>
><br>
>- As far as I'm aware, the term "Global Internet Governance Alliance<br>
>(GIGA)" exists only in a piece written by "New China", based on a report<br>
>filed from Sao Paulo by Xinhua, the official news agency of China (and,<br>
>by the way, "New China" is the English translation of Xinhua 新华). The<br>
>Xinhua report itself seems to be based on interviews conducted<br>
>on-the-spot by its reporter(s). In this context, the term GIGA seems to<br>
>be an amalgamation of various interviews. And as far as I can make out,<br>
>the news agency correspondents in Sao Paulo were not necessarily experts<br>
>in Internet matters, nor perhaps of English. The New China piece was<br>
>brought to our attention on this thread by Salanieta:<br>
><a href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-07/01/c_134373596.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-07/01/c_134373596.htm</a><br>
><br>
>- Also, it would have been useful for those journalists reporting from<br>
>Sao Paulo to check, and they would have discovered that the term GIGA is<br>
>already in use in a different Internet context: the Institute of Global<br>
>Internet Governance and Advocacy (GIGA) at Nalsar University in India has<br>
>organized conferences on those themes, and I was invited as a speaker to<br>
>the "GIGA-1 conference" (Hyderabad 2012),<br>
><a href="http://cis-india.org/news/giga-conference" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://cis-india.org/news/giga-conference</a><br>
><br>
>- During the 2-day meeting in Sao Paulo, and as far as I'm aware, there<br>
>was no reference to a "GIGA", whether as a synonym of, or a replacement<br>
>for NMI/CC.<br>
><br>
>- As a member of the global Internet user community, and as a Member of<br>
>the NMI Coordination Council writing in a private capacity, I consider<br>
>that there are no grounds for suspecting any sort of maneuver aimed at<br>
>transforming NMI/CC into, or it being taken over by, a so-called "GIGA".<br>
><br>
>Jean-Jacques.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>----- Mail original -----<br>
>De: "Evan Leibovitch" <<a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a>><br>
>À: "Joao Carlos Caribe" <<a href="mailto:caribe@entropia.blog.br">caribe@entropia.blog.br</a>><br>
>Cc: <a href="mailto:members2014@thespacs.org">members2014@thespacs.org</a>, "PacNOG" <<a href="mailto:pacnog@pacnog.org">pacnog@pacnog.org</a>>,<br>
><a href="mailto:oceania-icann@icann.org">oceania-icann@icann.org</a>, "Caribbean ICT stakeholders Virtual Community<br>
>(CIVIC)" <<a href="mailto:civic@dgroups.org">civic@dgroups.org</a>>, "Pacific Islands Chapter of the Internet<br>
>Society Discussion List" <<a href="mailto:picisoc@picisoc.org">picisoc@picisoc.org</a>>, "igf-pacific"<br>
><<a href="mailto:igf-pacific@googlegroups.com">igf-pacific@googlegroups.com</a>>, "Arab IGF mailing list"<br>
><<a href="mailto:list@igfarab.org">list@igfarab.org</a>>, "apralo" <<a href="mailto:apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org">apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>,<br>
>"At-Large Worldwide" <<a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a>>, "Cecily FAASAU"<br>
><<a href="mailto:cf@regulator.gov.ws">cf@regulator.gov.ws</a>><br>
>Envoyé: Dimanche 5 Juillet 2015 23:52:37<br>
>Objet: Re: [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet Governance<br>
>Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>Enough of the cheerleading and lists of names, please.<br>
><br>
>I am still waiting for a straight and honest answer from ANYONE: What is<br>
>the relationship between this body and the Netmundial Initiative?<br>
>On Jul 5, 2015 5:40 PM, "Joao Carlos Caribe" < <a href="mailto:caribe@entropia.blog.br">caribe@entropia.blog.br</a> ><br>
>wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>Ad to this group of co-chairs FUndacao Getulio Vargas /CTI Brazil and HRW<br>
><br>
><br>
>_ João Carlos Caribé<br>
><br>
>(21) 9 8761 1967<br>
><br>
>Enviado via iPad<br>
><br>
>Em 05/07/2015, às 18:00, Vanda Scartezini < <a href="mailto:vanda@uol.com.br">vanda@uol.com.br</a> > escreveu:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>lot’s of names but I also am waiting fro something come out - I did not<br>
>go to this event, but ICANN staff here went and so did Jean Jacques.<br>
>Jean Jacques sent out a new report about the event. Guess worth to read<br>
>it.<br>
>World economic Forum + Alibaba from China + CGI.br + CEO of ICANN looks<br>
>an interesting group to chair this.<br>
>let’s read JJ and debate later.. I had no opportunity to read it yet.<br>
>Best regards,<br>
><br>
><br>
>Vanda Scartezini<br>
>Polo Consultores Associados<br>
>Av. Paulista 1159, cj 1004<br>
>01311-200- Sao Paulo, SP, Brazil<br>
>Land Line: +55 11 3266.6253<br>
>Mobile: + 55 11 98181.1464<br>
>So rry for any typos.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>From: < <a href="mailto:at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org">at-large-bounces@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> > on behalf of Evan<br>
>Leibovitch < <a href="mailto:evan@telly.org">evan@telly.org</a> ><br>
>Date: Thursday, July 2, 2015 at 12:09<br>
>To: Carlton Samuels < <a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a> ><br>
>Cc: PacNOG < <a href="mailto:pacnog@pacnog.org">pacnog@pacnog.org</a> >, igf-pacific <<br>
><a href="mailto:igf-pacific@googlegroups.com">igf-pacific@googlegroups.com</a> >, "Caribbean ICT stakeholders Virtual<br>
>Community (CIVIC)" < <a href="mailto:civic@dgroups.org">civic@dgroups.org</a> >, Pacific Islands Chapter of the<br>
>Internet Society Discussion List < <a href="mailto:picisoc@picisoc.org">picisoc@picisoc.org</a> >, "<br>
><a href="mailto:oceania-icann@icann.org">oceania-icann@icann.org</a> " < <a href="mailto:oceania-icann@icann.org">oceania-icann@icann.org</a> >, Arab IGF mailing<br>
>list < <a href="mailto:list@igfarab.org">list@igfarab.org</a> >, 'apralo' <<br>
><a href="mailto:apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org">apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> >, < <a href="mailto:members2014@thespacs.org">members2014@thespacs.org</a> >,<br>
>'At-Large Worldwide' < <a href="mailto:at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org">at-large@atlarge-lists.icann.org</a> >, Cecily FAASAU<br>
>< <a href="mailto:cf@regulator.gov.ws">cf@regulator.gov.ws</a> ><br>
>Subject: Re: [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet<br>
>Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>OK, I'm confused.<br>
><br>
><br>
>We have the Netmundial Event, The Netmundul initiative (NMI) and now<br>
>GIGA.<br>
><br>
><br>
>The three movers of NMI are ICANN, the WEF and CGI.br .<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>GIGA is co-sponsored by ICANN, the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee<br>
>and the World Economic Forum to provide a platform for the discussion of<br>
>Internet governance solutions.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>As far as I understood, the "Brazilian Internet Steering Commitee" *is*<br>
>CGI.br<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>So what is the relationship between NMI and GIGA? Are they parallel orgs?<br>
>Was there a rename that I missed?<br>
><br>
><br>
>And Carlton said that<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>the Council has formally adopted the Terms of Reference of the NMI that<br>
>led to the Sao Paulo event<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>(In this context, NMI does *not* appear to refer to the calamotous<br>
>"solution in search of a problem" NMI -- the one that ISOC and others<br>
>have refused to join -- formed AFTER the Sao Paulo event and seeming to<br>
>share few of its values. But rather, it seems to refer to the SP event's<br>
>own outcomes. Or do I have that wrong?)<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>On one hand, I read the news of Chinese participation -- its<br>
>acknowledgement of the goals and values of Netmundial -- and share<br>
>Carlton's optimism. On the other, I look around and see another new<br>
>source of needless confusion and redundancies that make the whole<br>
>situation even more impenetrable to non-insiders than before.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>On 2 July 2015 at 10:30, Carlton Samuels < <a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a> ><br>
>wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>I joined the event remotely and listened to Ja Ma's speech with keen<br>
>interest. Quite frankly, I was pleasantly surprised how direct he was..<br>
><br>
><br>
>I cannot be pessimistic as my friend Parminder and would urge us not to<br>
>make the perfect the enemy of the good. For those who went to Sao Paulo<br>
>and followed the evolution of the NMI, the Council has formally adopted<br>
>the Terms of Reference of the NMI that led to the Sao Paulo event. The<br>
>Council has committed to do practical things to advance the outcomes from<br>
>Sao Paulo, including advancing the work and role of the IGF and<br>
>furthering the objectives of WSIS.<br>
><br>
><br>
>Good enough.<br>
><br>
><br>
>Now, Jack Ma (CEO of Alibaba, usually referred in metropolitan<br>
>publications as 'the Chinese e-commerce giant') could have opted to sign<br>
>up for the World Economic Forum (WEF)-led thing, the one that even as it<br>
>utilised Orwellian-derived language to announce itself, baldly refuted<br>
>the multistakeholder, equality-in-access approach to Internet governance.<br>
>Instead, he signed with the Brazilian-initiated initiative. As I listened<br>
>to Jack Ma, I had a sense that he truly understands connecting each of us<br>
>to all of us is in the collective best interest, Alibaba included. I<br>
>think he gets it that for most of us, the Internet is about development.<br>
>I think he gets it that exploiting the Internet for profit does not<br>
>preclude other dire uses. And he definitely understands that intrusions<br>
>of one or other kind could be inimical to all our interests.<br>
><br>
><br>
>So, what do you do? I will take the Council's word on its commitment. And<br>
>since they have also embraced a model that allow us to talk to them and<br>
>let them know if they go astray, we have a way to at least enjoin them to<br>
>account.<br>
><br>
><br>
>It is as good as it gets.<br>
><br>
><br>
>-Carlton<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>==============================<br>
>Carlton A Samuels<br>
>Mobile: 876-818-1799<br>
>Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround<br>
>=============================<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <<br>
><a href="mailto:salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com">salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro@gmail.com</a> > wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>Dear All,<br>
><br>
>Apologies for the crossposting but this I found interesting:<br>
><br>
><a href="http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-07/01/c_134373596.htm" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-07/01/c_134373596.htm</a><br>
><br>
><br>
>SAO PAULO, June 30 (Xinhua) -- Jack Ma, founder of China's ecommerce<br>
>giant Alibaba, was elected co-chairman of the Global Internet Governance<br>
>Alliance (GIGA) at the first general meeting of GIGA council held here<br>
>Tuesday .<br>
><br>
>"This election signifies trust in China's Internet, and how China governs<br>
>its Internet," said Ma.<br>
><br>
>The meeting was set to discuss key issues related to international<br>
>cooperation on Internet governance while highlighting China's role.<br>
><br>
>Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff had called for a just and equal global<br>
>Internet environment and regarded China as the "key factor to the success<br>
>of global Internet governance," said Fadi Chehade, president of the<br>
>Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN).<br>
><br>
>Rousseff had suggested he find Chinese partners for cooperation, Chehade<br>
>said.<br>
><br>
>To establish a multiple-stakeholder platform, Chehade said that dialogues<br>
>among different partners should be improved, the platform should be<br>
>transparent and just, and all stakeholders should be able to equally<br>
>participate in global Internet governance.<br>
><br>
>GIGA is co-sponsored by ICANN, the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee<br>
>and the World Economic Forum to provide a platform for the discussion of<br>
>Internet governance solutions.<br>
><br>
>--<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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><br>
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