<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hello JJ,<br><br></div>Thanks for this feedback, i think that approach of election is a record breaker ;-) I do hope the council will endeavour to have a formal election process going forward. I don't think the process used to selecting the current co-chairs should be institutionalised otherwise it means there could be varying number of co-chairs at any point in time.<br></div><div><br></div>As to diversity, strange you said the diversity was evident and i am wondering "what is diversity when geo and sector is not evident" in this context. Nevertheless, its good that there is some level of progress and i hope the council would ensure to improve on its governance structure going forward. <br><br>Congratulations on the progress made so far and by the way my +1 to gender ;-)<br><br></div>Cheers!<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jjs@dyalog.net" target="_blank">jjs@dyalog.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello Seun,<br>
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right from the first telephone conference of the NMI/CC, I advocated the need for a Chair structure of some sort, and for a proper voting process to that effect, but to no avail.<br>
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At the Sao Paulo meeting, a variety of positions were expressed, from 2 "coordinators" to 3, 4 or 5 Co- or Vice-Chairs. Finally, each Council Member was asked to write on a paper the names of 3 colleagues she/he wished to nominate for Co-Chair. A tally was taken, and 3 members came out on top with the same number of votes, and the next 2 likewise. Those who followed the proceedings remotely saw how this evolved. The final result, though not strictly sector- or geography-based, was adopted because it provides diversity, including gender.<br>
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Envoyé: Vendredi 3 Juillet 2015 08:05:54<br>
<span class="">Objet: Re: [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA<br>
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Thanks for the share, it then seem the election refereed to in the beginning of this thread is actually selecting the co-chairs for NMI and not GIGA.<br>
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By the way 5 co-chairs for a 24 member panel seem like a record breaker to me. Do you mind clarifying what informed the need for that much? as I don't think it's on regional reasons neither does it seem to be on stakeholder categorisation.<br>
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On 2 Jul 2015 22:00, "Subrenat, Jean-Jacques" < <a href="mailto:jjs@dyalog.net">jjs@dyalog.net</a> > wrote:<br>
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Hello,<br>
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having just come back from the NetMundial Initiative (NMI) Coordination Council (NMI/CC) meeting in Sao Paulo (29-30 June 2015), I'm glad to fill in some of the blanks that have appeared in this thread:<br>
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- The 3 convening parties of the NMI are<br>
- ICANN,<br>
- WEF (World Economic Forum) <a href="http://www.weforum.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.weforum.org/</a> , and<br>
- CGI.br, which is the acronym in Portugese of the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee <a href="http://www.cgi.br/about/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.cgi.br/about/</a> .<br>
There is no other convening party or organization involved as such.<br>
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- The Members of the NMI/CC come from the 3 convening parties and represent 4 broad sectors, <a href="https://www.netmundial.org/council" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.netmundial.org/council</a> , and 2 individuals in another capacity, Wolfgang Kleinwächter as "Special Ambassador of the NMI", and Janis Karklins (Chair, IGF/MAG) as an Observer.<br>
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- In our meeting a couple of days ago, we finalized the Terms of Reference (ToR) which was prepared by a Working Group made up of Members or their representatives.<br>
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- We also elected five Co-Chairs,<br>
- Virgílio Almeida, Secretary for Information Technology Policy of the Ministry of Science, Technology and Innovation of Brazil and chair of the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee;<br>
- Fadi Chehadé, President and CEO, Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers;<br>
- Eileen Donahoe, Director of Global Affairs - Human Rights Watch;<br>
- Jack Ma, Founder and Executive Chairman, Alibaba Group;<br>
- Marília Maciel, Center for Technology and Society - Rio de Janeiro Law School of the Getulio Vargas Foundation.<br>
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- The communiqué issued at the end of our meeting gives an accurate account of our 2-day meeting, <a href="https://www.netmundial.org/blog/secretariat/s%C3%A3o-paulo-communiqu%C3%A9-inaugural-council-meeting" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.netmundial.org/blog/secretariat/s%C3%A3o-paulo-communiqu%C3%A9-inaugural-council-meeting</a> .<br>
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<span class="">Envoyé: Jeudi 2 Juillet 2015 17:09:09<br>
Objet: Re: [At-Large] Jack Ma New Co-Chair of Global Internet Governance Alliance #AliBaba #GIGA<br>
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OK, I'm confused.<br>
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We have the Netmundial Event, The Netmundul initiative (NMI) and now GIGA.<br>
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The three movers of NMI are ICANN, the WEF and CGI.br.<br>
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GIGA is co-sponsored by ICANN, the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee and the World Economic Forum to provide a platform for the discussion of Internet governance solutions.<br>
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As far as I understood, the "Brazilian Internet Steering Commitee" *is* CGI.br<br>
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So what is the relationship between NMI and GIGA? Are they parallel orgs? Was there a rename that I missed?<br>
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And Carlton said that<br>
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the Council has formally adopted the Terms of Reference of the NMI that led to the Sao Paulo event<br>
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(In this context, NMI does *not* appear to refer to the calamotous "solution in search of a problem" NMI -- the one that ISOC and others have refused to join -- formed AFTER the Sao Paulo event and seeming to share few of its values. But rather, it seems to refer to the SP event's own outcomes. Or do I have that wrong?)<br>
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</span>On one hand, I read the news of Chinese participation -- its acknowledgement of the goals and values of Netmundial -- and share Carlton's optimism.. On the other, I look around and see another new source of needless confusion and redundancies that make the whole situation even more impenetrable to non-insiders than before.<br>
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On 2 July 2015 at 10:30, Carlton Samuels < <a href="mailto:carlton.samuels@gmail.com">carlton.samuels@gmail.com</a> > wrote:<br>
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I joined the event remotely and listened to Ja Ma's speech with keen interest. Quite frankly, I was pleasantly surprised how direct he was.<br>
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I cannot be pessimistic as my friend Parminder and would urge us not to make the perfect the enemy of the good. For those who went to Sao Paulo and followed the evolution of the NMI, the Council has formally adopted the Terms of Reference of the NMI that led to the Sao Paulo event. The Council has committed to do practical things to advance the outcomes from Sao Paulo, including advancing the work and role of the IGF and furthering the objectives of WSIS.<br>
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Good enough.<br>
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Now, Jack Ma (CEO of Alibaba, usually referred in metropolitan publications as 'the Chinese e-commerce giant') could have opted to sign up for the World Economic Forum (WEF)-led thing, the one that even as it utilised Orwellian-derived language to announce itself, baldly refuted the multistakeholder, equality-in-access approach to Internet governance. Instead, he signed with the Brazilian-initiated initiative. As I listened to Jack Ma, I had a sense that he truly understands connecting each of us to all of us is in the collective best interest, Alibaba included. I think he gets it that for most of us, the Internet is about development. I think he gets it that exploiting the Internet for profit does not preclude other dire uses. And he definitely understands that intrusions of one or other kind could be inimical to all our interests.<br>
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So, what do you do? I will take the Council's word on its commitment. And since they have also embraced a model that allow us to talk to them and let them know if they go astray, we have a way to at least enjoin them to account.<br>
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It is as good as it gets.<br>
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Apologies for the crossposting but this I found interesting:<br>
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</span>SAO PAULO, June 30 (Xinhua) -- Jack Ma, founder of China's ecommerce giant Alibaba, was elected co-chairman of the Global Internet Governance Alliance (GIGA) at the first general meeting of GIGA council held here Tuesday ..<br>
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"This election signifies trust in China's Internet, and how China governs its Internet," said Ma.<br>
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The meeting was set to discuss key issues related to international cooperation on Internet governance while highlighting China's role.<br>
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Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff had called for a just and equal global Internet environment and regarded China as the "key factor to the success of global Internet governance," said Fadi Chehade, president of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN).<br>
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Rousseff had suggested he find Chinese partners for cooperation, Chehade said.<br>
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To establish a multiple-stakeholder platform, Chehade said that dialogues among different partners should be improved, the platform should be transparent and just, and all stakeholders should be able to equally participate in global Internet governance.<br>
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GIGA is co-sponsored by ICANN, the Brazilian Internet Steering Committee and the World Economic Forum to provide a platform for the discussion of Internet governance solutions.<br>
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<i><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">Seun Ojedeji,<br style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">Federal University Oye-Ekiti<br style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">web: </span><a href="http://www.fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank">http://www.fuoye.edu.ng</a><br>
<span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">Mobile: <a value="+2348035233535">+2348035233535</a></span><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)"></span><br></i><i><span style="color:rgb(0,102,0)">alt email:<a href="http://goog_1872880453" target="_blank"> </a><a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng" target="_blank">seun.ojedeji@fuoye.edu.ng</a></span></i><br><br><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The key to understanding is humility - my view !<br></blockquote></blockquote></font><br></div></div>
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