[At-Large] Voting seat for CEO Was: Re: ICANN75: Mandatory Funded Traveler Registration for Roberto Gaetano

Karl Auerbach karl at cavebear.com
Wed Jul 27 19:42:41 UTC 2022


I agree with you that the voice of the President of a corporation is 
often a voice that ought to be heard and considered by the board of 
directors.

However, a President that is allowed to sit at, hear, and contribute to 
meetings of the board is not not the same as a President who can do 
those things *and* vote.

Many, but not all, corporations do find it useful to allow a 
President/CEO to be a voting board member.

ICANN, however, has long had an imbalance with a weak board facing a 
powerful executive staff.

In such a situation a staff vote, i.e. the President's vote, on the 
board, merely increases that imbalance by weakening the chosen board and 
strengthening the executive staff.

Were ICANN to have a stronger board - a likely result were the board 
picked by the public through direct elective processes - then perhaps 
the President could have a vote.  But given the present institutional 
board selection process it is unwise to increase the staff/executive 
dominance.

         --karl--


On 7/27/22 11:19 AM, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> Hello Roberto,
>
> Just as you've noted instances where the CEO may be embarrassed if an 
> issue he voted went a different direction, there are instances that I 
> believe the CEO will be glad he contributed his voice through voting.
>
> The CEO's vote is just 1 out of the other votes to be cast hence if 
> his vote made a difference then you know it's a really contentious 
> matter. In an organisation as ICANN it's not good practice to put the 
> face of the organisation (i.e the CEO in an observer role - non voting).
>
> That said, most reasonable CEOs don't actively use their voting right 
> towards a direction, they largely abstain but I think the CEO should 
> have the opportunity to exercise his opinion through voting when he 
> considers it necessary.
>
> Regards
>
> Sent from my mobile
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> Every word has consequences.
> Every silence does too!
>
> On Wed, 27 Jul 2022, 10:42 Roberto Gaetano via At-Large, 
> <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
>
>     Karl,
>
>     Following on your “off-topic” (I changed the subject line) I wold
>     like to add a bit of history.
>
>     You wrote:
>>
>>     A lot of our BWG proposals are still quite relevant, for
>>     instance, not putting the President/CEO into a seat on the board
>>     of directors ….
>>
>
>     When I was chairing the Board Review WG, I argued against having
>     the CEO as a voting member rather than ex-officio observer.
>     Besides any governance model, having to vote on issues that he
>     would have been called to execute could put the CEO in an
>     embarrassing position: what if he voted against, and the motion
>     passed? This was, IMHO, not just a theoretical exercise, but
>     something that could really happen on politically sensitive
>     issues, like the .xxx delegation (in that case, Paul abstained,
>     and the application was rejected by one or two votes).
>
>     My approach was considered, but the Chair argued that for the
>     current CEO the provision was built in the contract, and could not
>     be changed, but this would have been taken into account for the
>     next CEO. Then I left the Board, and lost track of the later
>     events, but it looks that the situation still remains unchanged.
>
>     Cheers,
>     Roberto
>
>
>
>
>>     On 26.07.2022, at 21:39, Karl Auerbach via At-Large
>>     <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
>>
>>     I'm going to be somewhat diverging from the main topic....
>>
>>     On 7/26/22 8:14 AM, Marita Moll wrote:
>>>
>>>     And so it is with ICANN. It exists -- a unique multistakeholder
>>>     governance system. Lots of things wrong with it. But it exists.
>>>     So, for those who want to, they can keep working at it, keep
>>>     looking for improvement, keep challenging the system.
>>>
>>     I've long been in opposition to the "stakeholder" model of
>>     governance.  I was horrified when I first saw it just after Jon
>>     Postel died, and became more horrified watching Joe Sims of Jones
>>     Day ramming it down our collective throats.  In the Boston
>>     Working Group proposal for "NewCo" we tried to mitigate some of
>>     the worst aspects.
>>
>>     See https://cavebear.com/archive/bwg/ for the Boston Working
>>     Group proposals.
>>
>>     A lot of our BWG proposals are still quite relevant, for
>>     instance, not putting the President/CEO into a seat on the board
>>     of directors and moving some ICANN powers into the Articles of
>>     Incorporation and requiring exercise of those powers to be
>>     approved by more than merely the board (in those days that larger
>>     body could have been "the members" but ICANN sank that ship long
>>     ago - but it can be, and ought to be, re-floated.)
>>
>>     My most recent piece in opposition to stakeholder based systems
>>     may be found here:
>>
>>     Democracy Versus Stakeholderism -
>>     https://www.cavebear.com/cavebear-blog/stakeholder_sock_puppet/
>>
>>             --karl--
>>
>>
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