[At-Large] Ukraine, .RU, and internet governance

Javier Rua javrua at gmail.com
Mon Mar 14 14:49:42 UTC 2022


Natalia -thanks for your super important perspective. Keep up the good work.


On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 10:44 AM Natalia Filina via At-Large <
at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:

> Hi everybody.
>
> As I see one of our goals is to increase our potential and our ranks with
> individual members and ALSs, who have significantly thinned and become even
> more silent during the pandemic time.
> Now this catastrophe (I can't find any other words,  there is a huge pain
> inside only) apart from all the horrors creates a precedent of isolation
> and exclusion from the agenda of the active core of representatives of
> Russia (organizations and individuals).
>
> I think it is necessary to clarify for ourselves - is At-Large a right
> place for such initiatives and for this fight against the part of the
> community? Do we remember that At-Large unites people from all over the
> world by common work to present and protect the end users interests and
> maybe not the right place for such discussions? +1 to Maureen, Tijani, Alan
> Levin and others respected friends and colleagues.
> Put other nations and countries in the place of the words "Russian" or
> "Russia" in your emails mentally. Do you think it is possible to phase out
> other nations and countries from the agenda and the Internet landscape? Or
> is it a target case?
>
> Separately, I would like to note that respected members of the discussion
> who advocate the exclusion of the .RU from the register of TLD and the
> exclusion of Russians from Internet interaction act in exceptional harmony
> with those against whom they are fighting here.
>
> It looks to me in the near future (not now) we should care  for our
> further abilities to work together within the framework of the At-Large
> (members, ALSes, partners). Officially we don't see any problems. To be
> honest we are not sure and we`ll definitely see it definitely.
>
> I would like to initiate this dialogue or at least the intentions. We
> probably should have proper communication inside and outside the ICANN
> community. Maybe At-Large becomes the an absolutely unique where people
> with different cultural and mental codes are united in work, interaction
> and friendship and stop xenophobia, racism, extremism. Maybe it will be the
> only one space like this.
>
> Via this email I bring the most sincere compassion to our members and
> people from Ukraine and other countries who are affected.
>
> Please take care of yourself.
>
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Natalia Filina
>
> Secretary of EURALO
> https://atlarge.icann.org/alses/euralo
>
> +7 906 722 54 61
> Moscow, Russian Federation
>
>
>
> пн, 14 мар. 2022 г. в 16:54, Amrita Choudhury via At-Large <
> at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>:
>
>> +1 Tijani and completely agree with Maureen’s statement.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Amrita
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* At-Large <at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> *On Behalf
>> Of *Tijani BEN JEMAA via At-Large
>> *Sent:* 14 March 2022 14:03
>> *To:* Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [At-Large] Ukraine, .RU, and internet governance
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you Maureen for your clear message. You are speaking for the ICANN
>> At-Large community and I’m one of them.
>>
>> Best
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 14 mars 2022 à 12:26 AM, Maureen Hilyard via At-Large <
>> at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org> a écrit :
>>
>>
>>
>> Evan
>>
>>
>>
>> The majority of our At-Large members continue to stand by our remit, and
>> support the ISOC and ICANN calls to minimise any risk to the continued use
>> of the internet by Internet end-users universally regardless of the
>> politics of their countries. This is not "doing nothing".
>>
>>
>>
>> Maureen
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022, 1:04 pm Evan Leibovitch via At-Large, <
>> at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 13, 2022 at 2:12 PM Antony Van Couvering via At-Large <
>> at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
>>
>> It’s appears that there is no appetite within this community to block
>> .ru, or to do something substantive to help Ukraine in its hour of need, or
>> even to say something about it. Finally, something that unites a normally
>> fractious group.
>>
>>
>>
>> It's worse than that. ICANN won't even take the very minor diplomatic
>> steps taken globally in every other sector that, while not cutting .RU out
>> of the root, would still help to enforce an isolation that in aggregate may
>> help bring the country to change its path. ICANN could deny registration of
>> Russian nationals to ICANN meetings or participation in ongoing policy
>> activities, or even take the miniscule step of refusing to subsidize their
>> travel. Hell, it still won't take action on the rogue .SU domain after all
>> these years. And ALAC is quite fine with such inaction, it's had plenty of
>> time to consider options to support community isolation while still keeping
>> the data flowing.
>>
>>
>>
>> But here, in the mindset of all or nothing, both ICANN and ALAC have
>> actively chosen nothing. Pathetic.
>>
>>
>>
>> Of course there is one more scenario that nobody here will like. As I
>> like to remind people, there is no international treaty governing ICANN and
>> the IANA "transition" was bullshit, so ICANN remains subject to US (and as
>> we saw in the case of .ORG, California) authority. It would not surprise me
>> at all if forcing ICANN to cut off Russia remains a back-pocket option of
>> the US State Department as an enhanced sanction (now that they've already
>> cut off Russian caviar). ICANN's refusal to do ANYTHING only encourages and
>> legitimizes such action, but its low external respect guarantees that
>> nobody outside the bubble will fight for it.
>>
>>
>>
>> - Evan
>>
>>
>>
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