[At-Large] Fwd: Coping with active participation in At-Large during COVID-19

Peters Omoragbon petersomoragbon at gmail.com
Sun May 10 11:17:48 UTC 2020


Dear Maureen,
I will be too glad to offer my own little support if I have the information
as to how to proceed. We all appreciate his plight and grateful to any
individual support so far. Now, we all are on the same page as to our areas
of differences on due diligence and process.
My regards as always


*Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*

*-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United
Kingdom-CANUK*

*-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special
Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United
Nations-ECOSOC*

*-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate
Change-UNFCCC*

*-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable
Association-NNCA-UK*

*-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the
United Nations-CONGO*

*-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO*

*-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*

*-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN*
*-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest*


On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 12:05, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Peters and At-Large
>
> Thank you everyone for your contributions and in typical At-Large fashion,
> we are never always going to agree on the actual outcomes.. but the
> diversity of  views is invited and encouraged.
>
> It was interesting that the only requests for financial support from ICANN
> were actually made by the community in the body of emails that were
> forwarded to Leon on the 8th May. There was no mention of a request for
> funding for Daniel in my explanation of his situation. It was merely
> highlighting a very unusual and quite unique situation relating to one of
> our At-Large leaders - as a result of COVID-19.  And as a close friend of
> At-Large, and of Daniel, Leon would also have appreciated being informed of
> Daniel's situation.
>
> In response to the funding requests that had already been made by the
> community, my comment that ICANN could not be expected to solve the
> problems of the world, was related to legal restrictions that I know do not
> allow ICANN to reimburse anything that hasn't  been planned in advance,
> which has caused a few complaints from the ICANN community as you can
> imagine. Leon and Ron could probably explain it more. But, once other
> members of our community had been appraised of Daniels plight, a
> fund-raising initiative of our own was immediately established, and we are
> gratefully appreciative of the community donations that have been made to
> date.  Daniel will benefit from the first tranche from this fund. Any
> further funds collected will be distributed after similar discussion by the
> organising committee.
>
> Of course I take ownership of my actions, Peters. Daniel's is quite a
> unique situation that would be a traumatic experience for anyone. That he
> has lasted so long on his own resources in a foreign country with no
> support from close family or friends is a credit to his own tenacity, but
> now with perhaps some hindsight about more careful planning. In order to
> get home at the earliest opportunity, he really has to start knocking on
> doors, but he will need funds to get to knock on the right doors.
>
> This is where we are trying to help one of our own, one of our community,
> one of our family, and because, in the circumstances, we can have no
> expectation of funds from ICANN,  we must do this for ourselves. We would
> appreciate your support.
>
> Regards
> Maureen
>
> On Sat, 9 May 2020, 10:32 pm Peters Omoragbon, <petersomoragbon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Good morning all.
>> I have deliberately stayed away from this discourse on the need for ICANN
>> palliative because it is being taken up at the 'highest level' aka-alac.
>> But having said that, I hate when people try to play to the gallery or try
>> to gloss over issues when process and procedures are being abused. Or
>> rather playing the 'good boy' to please certain 'masters'
>> The position of AK is for due process to be followed and respected. No
>> member within ICANN is heartless. You cannot use an individual circumstance
>> to overshadow that of the collective. Maureen is at liberty to provide her
>> personal assistance to Daniel, even Barrack and others who do not see the
>> error in the actions of Maureen can equally provide their personal
>> assistance. Mark my concerns, no one is opposed to Maureen for her
>> concerns-BUT she is wrong to have made it an issue within an official
>> discourse of the entire community. If I recollect vividly, Daniel was the
>> same Youngman that was also mugged in Montreal and his personal effects
>> including his travel documents stolen from him. ICANN took it up and that
>> is understandable because it was an ICANN related event. Not this very one.
>> Having said that, may I request that we drop further discussion on Daniel
>> on this matter and refocus our attention to the issues at stake before we
>> lose track on what we are really about. A mistake accepted is an honour
>> redeemed. Maureen made a mistake so let her own up and stop the
>> over-characterization.
>> Best.
>>
>> *Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
>>
>> *-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United
>> Kingdom-CANUK*
>>
>> *-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special
>> Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United
>> Nations-ECOSOC*
>>
>> *-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on
>> Climate Change-UNFCCC*
>>
>> *-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable
>> Association-NNCA-UK*
>>
>> *-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the
>> United Nations-CONGO*
>>
>> *-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO*
>>
>> *-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*
>>
>> *-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN*
>> *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest*
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 9 May 2020 at 14:03, Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Abdulkarim,
>>>
>>> Permit me to weigh in on this matter. Having been involved in ICANN for
>>> a little over 10 years now i have come to appreciate the role of
>>> relationships and genuine concern for each others well being. This is what
>>> has kept me and many others going in this ecosystem for many years and i
>>> beleive this is where Maureen is coming from. I literaly drop everything i
>>> am doing whenever a member of this community is in town due to the
>>> relationships we have established which transcend borders. As a leader, i
>>> would do the same when one of my team members is in dire straits. We all
>>> have an idea of the letter and the spirit of the law or by laws. Whichever
>>> school of thought you align yourself with has impacts on the output of your
>>> team or any organization you may be leading. The issues that have been
>>> raised are suggestions and should be treated as such. In my opinion Maureen
>>> is right as a leader to bring to the fore an issue a member of her
>>> leadership team is facing. Being a diverse community, Daniels help might
>>> just be an email away. If we can't help him then let the matter rest.
>>>
>>> On Sat, 9 May 2020, 3:39 pm ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE, <
>>> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Maureen,
>>>>
>>>>  Your response has clearly brought out one of the three points that I
>>>> was trying to make. I never asked that the individual should not be
>>>> supported but I do not think it is right to prioritise one person at the
>>>> expense of the community.  Who would your leadership team serve if the
>>>> community is not there?.
>>>> I pointed out in the least paragraph of my email to you that the need
>>>> to support the community has been mentioned several times by different
>>>> people at different At-Large meetings but it was not taking to the next
>>>> level until Leon stepped in only for it now to be overshadowed by a
>>>> non-ICANN issue is one of my concerns. The board would make an easy
>>>> decision on this matter as it is clearly dominated by a non-ICANN and
>>>> private issue.
>>>>
>>>> Leadership role and general work within at-large is voluntary and if
>>>> you are concern about him "regardless of how he came about it". That should
>>>> not overshadow what is affecting most people within the community.  We need
>>>> to get our priorities right. I am sure you only found out about his case
>>>> yesterday because according to the records I just checked he has been
>>>> attending the meeting he chairs and other meetings including that of ATRT
>>>> 3. I am not trying to trivialise his issue in any way but  I decided to
>>>> respond because I smell a rat.
>>>>
>>>> I do not understand what you mean by  "unusual predicament" because we
>>>> are all in an "unusual predicament" of COVID 19. I also don't understand
>>>> why you mean by  "extreme bad luck" but a lot of other people are affected
>>>> by the "extreme bad luck" and USA has handled the COVID situation far
>>>> better than a lot of other countries. I can give numerous example. some
>>>> don't even have the test kit to test talk less of detection.
>>>>
>>>> It is not about me helping or not. Like you rightly said it is
>>>> voluntary. Doing what is important to us as leaders mean we should be fair,
>>>> listen and look after the community, not just one person we find loyal to
>>>> us.
>>>>
>>>> AK
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, May 9, 2020 at 6:13 AM Maureen Hilyard <
>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Abdulkarim
>>>>>
>>>>> While I agree with you that there are surely situations similar to
>>>>> that of Daniel within At-Large, many do not have the same level of
>>>>> responsibility to the work of At-Large as he does. As one of my leadership
>>>>> team, I am concerned about his circumstances, regardless of how he came
>>>>> upon them.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was his concern for his ability to meet his obligations to his
>>>>> leadership role which caused me to mention his unusual predicament. I only
>>>>> found out about where he was and his situation yesterday. Even when he
>>>>> should be thinking about himself, he was informing me as to why he might
>>>>> not be able to fulfil his obligations to the O&E team for an unknown
>>>>> timeframe.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was extreme bad luck that he was not able to leave the country at
>>>>> the conclusion of the leadership event, especially in a country that I
>>>>> believe has very poorly managed its covid situation. I sympathise with
>>>>> anyone who ever finds themselves in a situation such as this. If there is
>>>>> any way that our community can help relieve Daniel's situation until his
>>>>> country's embassy can assist his return to Uganda,  then Im happy to do my
>>>>> bit.
>>>>>
>>>>> We cant do this for everyone, but for someone like Daniel who has
>>>>> volunteered a lot of personal time towards work within At-Large as well as
>>>>> in cross-community activities for several years,  he deserves my support
>>>>> even if in this small way, and gratefully with the support of other
>>>>> like-minded people.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you would like to help too, that is fine. If not, then that is fine
>>>>> as well. We all do what is important to us and as much or as little as we
>>>>> can. The same will have to go for our work within ICANN.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards and keep well
>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, 8 May 2020, 1:36 pm ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE, <
>>>>> oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Maureen,
>>>>>> I greatly sympathise with Daniel on this issue you shared and I
>>>>>> totally agree with your approach of setting up a welfare team and the
>>>>>> Gofundme. However, I do not understand why you decided to include it in
>>>>>> your email to Leon. His travel is clearly not related to the challenges
>>>>>> being faced by the community as a result of having what should have been a
>>>>>> face to face meeting going online. Your email was saying you removed a
>>>>>> message cos it is not ICANN related but yet it included an issue which is
>>>>>> clearly not ICANN related. The unrelated issue you raised has clearly
>>>>>> overshadowed the other critical issue. In fact, it took the most
>>>>>> significant part of the mail. What was supposed to be the main point in the
>>>>>> mail is now being relegated to paragraph 3.  In as much as I sympathise
>>>>>> with Daniel, I do not see the reason why a private issue was now explicitly
>>>>>> discussed in an email to Leon and the community. There are lots of people
>>>>>> around the world in a similar situation and I can't understand and I don't
>>>>>> clearly want to guess why you are making Daniel's case look worse than it
>>>>>> is or as an example for the mailing list. I have lots of friends and even
>>>>>> family members stranded as a result of the unexpected shutdown.  We all
>>>>>> faced challenges in our private lives or because of the unexpected shut
>>>>>> down of the world and I believe this should remain private except if ICANN
>>>>>> is now a social club.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also agree with Remmy Nweke that RALO leaders should also take
>>>>>> up the issues relating to challenges the community is facing in regards to
>>>>>> having an online meeting.  This is because they are closer to the community
>>>>>> and It took Leon to raise it specifically before it became a serious issue
>>>>>> for the ALAC when clearly we should not have waited this long. It has been
>>>>>> raised by several people before now but we didn't seams to listen or take
>>>>>> it seriously.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 6:49 PM Maureen Hilyard <
>>>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Leon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the discussion that arose out of the request from the ALAC
>>>>>>> meeting. I am so grateful that the community restricted their comments to
>>>>>>> those that were most thoughtful and considerate of ICANN's situation while
>>>>>>> also taking into account some of the hardship issues experienced by our
>>>>>>> volunteers at this time.  I forward all the emails received on the topic (I
>>>>>>> had one instance where the email was on another topic and once revealed,
>>>>>>> the sender asked for it to be removed).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One case which only very recently came to my attention was Daniel
>>>>>>> Nanghaka who was in the US attending an AMEX Leadership course in
>>>>>>> Washington DC when the flights out of US were grounded and he could not
>>>>>>> return to Uganda. He has been staying with friends in Massachusetts but
>>>>>>> living very frugally on his limited resources. Even though he has tried,
>>>>>>> his contacts with the Uganda Embassy in Washington DC have not been
>>>>>>> responded to (as of yesterday) and neither has AMEX been of any real
>>>>>>> assistance to his plight. I have suggested that he persist and if possible
>>>>>>> return to Washington DC to get his government's support directly.
>>>>>>> Fortunately he is still within scope of his current visa, but who knows how
>>>>>>> long will he have to remain in a foreign country without any resources?
>>>>>>> Daniel hadn't raised his situation with us because his reason for being
>>>>>>> there was not directly related to ICANN, except that *he is worried
>>>>>>> *that he may not be able to participate in his meetings because
>>>>>>> internet connection is expensive and it is draining what little resources
>>>>>>> he has at the moment, even to take his own O&E meetings. This is an extreme
>>>>>>> case but a real live situation for one of our leadership team.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The cost of internet and the loss of jobs especially for those in
>>>>>>> developing countries will make ICANN's work of less priority, especially
>>>>>>> when they have to worry more about how to feed and care for their families
>>>>>>> in situations where the pandemic is still rabid, and it is the impoverished
>>>>>>> areas that are being hardest hit. While I know that ICANN cannot save the
>>>>>>> world, it saddens me to know what some of our hardest-working volunteers
>>>>>>> are experiencing in their real worlds... and yet at the same time there is
>>>>>>> still a flow of even more meetings than before, even within At-Large, with
>>>>>>> an expectation of more volunteer input into issues that ICANN has to
>>>>>>> resolve. All I can say is that the longer this situation exists, the
>>>>>>> greater the chance of those voices that we have been working really hard to
>>>>>>> encourage to join our discussions, will disappear and our multistakeholder
>>>>>>> model will be truly lost. But what can ICANN do and what more can we do as
>>>>>>> volunteers who are already stretched within our own bubbles just to keep
>>>>>>> ourselves safe? This is our dilemma.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Forwarded Conversation
>>>>>>> Subject: Coping with active participation in At-Large during COVID-19
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:58 AM
>>>>>>> To: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear At-Large Community
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In all our recent ICANN meetings, the Board and the senior staff
>>>>>>> have been very mindful of the difficulties that are being experienced by
>>>>>>> the volunteer community of At-Large during this pandemic and its impact on
>>>>>>> their ability to participate as regularly as they used to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> During his intervention in the ALAC meeting on  28 April, the
>>>>>>> At-Large appointed Board member, Leon Sanchez, raised his ongoing concerns
>>>>>>> and asked the 70+ participants at the meeting how ICANN might be able to
>>>>>>> help volunteers to continue with their active involvement in the work of
>>>>>>> At-Large and contributing to the bigger picture work of ICANN.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because he has requested practical and constructive suggestions
>>>>>>> about how ICANN may be able to assist, I am putting this message out to
>>>>>>> those who also already attend online meetings and actively participate and
>>>>>>> engage, even under really trying personal circumstances. I am willing to
>>>>>>> pass on your suggestions to Leon, who will in turn take these to the Board
>>>>>>> for their consideration.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Please respond only to this thread* before 7 May, so that the full
>>>>>>> account can be passed on to Leon.  I look forward to your thoughtful
>>>>>>> contributions to this matter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>> Maureen
>>>>>>> ALAC Chair
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> From: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:22 AM
>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks  Maureen
>>>>>>> As  you know this is an issue I brought up in the ALT PLUS call a
>>>>>>> week before the ZOOM call this week  with Leon, at that time I interfaced
>>>>>>> with Leon on the dire straits that some people are facing during this
>>>>>>> pandemic situation and that many folks are unwilling to step forward and
>>>>>>> publicly  come to the table with a "cap in their hands"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are facing a 4% drop in the world economy and this means a
>>>>>>> depression much worse than the Great Depression.   Also this Covid-19 may
>>>>>>> see a serious second and third wave resulting in many more deaths and
>>>>>>> economic disruption.  ( shades of the 1918 pandemic that killed 100
>>>>>>> million)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would surmise that  we have in the ATLARGE community that many
>>>>>>> folks are unemployed or underemployed and facing tough times and seriously
>>>>>>> compounded in countries that don't have any safety net to protect them and
>>>>>>> help them over the difficult times.  Since charity starts at home I suggest
>>>>>>> ICANN  dig into its pockets as  ISOC and Mozilla and many others and come
>>>>>>> up with a financial assistance to those that could really appreciate the
>>>>>>> support.   I suggest that  the  stipend for the ICANN Meetings to be paid
>>>>>>> to the ATLARGE members which will cover their internet costs and food costs
>>>>>>> as they fully participate with the remote meetings.    In the cases where
>>>>>>> people don't want or need this financial support they can simple not apply
>>>>>>> for the stipend and the financial costs would be reduced.  It should be
>>>>>>> confidential and an optional application process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a recent survey of Atlarge members we found a large number of
>>>>>>> African and small island states with very poor internet access and very
>>>>>>> high costs for their access to the Internet.  This produces a digital
>>>>>>> divide that needs to be recognized and if not addressed  we may loose more
>>>>>>> members from the community.  As recommendations to join more online
>>>>>>> meetings and join ICANN LEARN webinars its an assumption that  we all have
>>>>>>> fair and equal access  and this inequality is enhanced with more reliance
>>>>>>> on remote participation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glenn McKnight
>>>>>>> ICANN NOMCOM 2019-2021
>>>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>>>>> Curator for  Internet Governance Hub Blog
>>>>>>> www.internetgovernancehub.blog
>>>>>>> <http://www.internetgovernancehub.blog>
>>>>>>> http://toronto.ieee.ca/
>>>>>>> IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
>>>>>>> glenn.mcknight at ieee.org
>>>>>>> skype  gmcknight
>>>>>>> twitter @Inkmedia
>>>>>>> 289-830 6259
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:20 AM
>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Maureen,
>>>>>>> This is very thoughtful both of ICANN, ALAC and Leon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For me, the best possible way to encourage participation should have
>>>>>>> been:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. To have data palliative, but it looks cumbersome from ICANN end
>>>>>>> down to the local service providers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. An alternative is to have an aggregated sum approved for e.g. 4
>>>>>>> months = USD600; to be given to participants to cushion their data effect
>>>>>>> paid directly to them (both mobile device and laptop). Thereby easing off
>>>>>>> at ICANN end and also encouraging participant to optimise the resource to
>>>>>>> their most essential needs including more data, because some may have
>>>>>>> purchased data ahead, say two months in a row.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope this helps.
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>>>>>>> From: <carlosraul at gutierrez.se>
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:44 AM
>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you Maureen and Léon !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. We in LACRALO have already adapted our meeting hours to avoid
>>>>>>> conflicts with working hours as far as possible. Thanks to our Brazilian
>>>>>>> and Uruguayan friends that's stay up late, the westerners in Mexico in
>>>>>>> Costa Rica have meeting only after 4pm or so.
>>>>>>> REQUEST;
>>>>>>> 1. Can't we do choose two convenient blocks of time over the day so
>>>>>>> that's global meetings only happen outside of sleeping hours?
>>>>>>> 2. Can we start using those blocks of time ASAP
>>>>>>> 3. Can we keep those Blocks for the Kuala Lumpur virtual meeting
>>>>>>> instead of the local time there?
>>>>>>> 4. If all of the above is not possible: can we spread the Kuala
>>>>>>> Lumpur meeting into 2-3 power weekend meetings online?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seriously, if we are going to spend the next few months on virtual
>>>>>>> meetings, it makes no sense to use the planning frameworks and time blocks
>>>>>>> of Face to Face meetings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks! Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> From: Vanda Scartezini <vanda at scartezini.org>
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 12:06 PM
>>>>>>> To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>, Maureen Hilyard <
>>>>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear  Glenn  and Maureen
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These thoughts are really relevant when we can see in developing
>>>>>>> region several medium class persons are struggled to feed their families
>>>>>>> without work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here, as developing country,  the government is performing a quite
>>>>>>> complex operation,  providing a 120 – 240 ( widows with children)
>>>>>>>  correspondent USD to 56 millions  ( ¼ of our population) of persons and
>>>>>>> had open up a 26 million of a special bank account to those not having one
>>>>>>>  in the public bank, and will pay such amount during 3 months or even
>>>>>>> longer depend upon the winter ( even mild one here) season. The amount
>>>>>>>  represents what  we call basic basket with food and cleaner and hygienic
>>>>>>> items for one month of a family of 4. The basic mobile are reduced  and
>>>>>>> energy are sponsored  for  those families.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Helping people to attend our meetings on line in places where they
>>>>>>> need to spend too much special nowadays  paying internet or even 3G for a
>>>>>>> volunteer activity,  does not see  will break ICANN’s finances and
>>>>>>> certainly will help a lot to keep these relevant community with us.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for these relevant proposal that I do believe really help the
>>>>>>> engagement of our community.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can also help to state who,  in our regions, is really in need of
>>>>>>> help. Some even to feed their families.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kisses and take care
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Vanda Scartezini*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Polo Consultores Associados*
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> From: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Sat, May 2, 2020 at 4:28 AM
>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the draft response from* NARALO* . Note we are still
>>>>>>> working out the logistics of the ideas  and its not final .  I am sharing
>>>>>>> it for inspiration purpose.
>>>>>>> The  bold and italic comments are excerpts from ICANN's comments
>>>>>>> direct from the ICANN page
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-_IO9vxnl2AUyrPE2zcL19UjyDPbl5DQHTLvWxX1q6Q/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Supporting the Work of Our Global Community over the Next Few
>>>>>>> Months: Leveraging Remote Participation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Link to document
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/supporting-the-work-of-our-global-community-over-the-next-few-months-leveraging-remote-participation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Facts
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    All ICANN Face to Face meetings on hold to Sept 2020
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reality
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    The Pandemic will likely be worse in the fall according to the
>>>>>>>    CDC comments and likely it will be into 2021. (1)  and resulting
>>>>>>>    in no  Face to Face meetings during that year
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Item One:  Remote Participation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ICANN has always embraced remote participation. It is what makes our
>>>>>>> work accessible to a global community and enables us to get the work done
>>>>>>> between meetings. COVID-19 has made remote engagement even more crucial,
>>>>>>> and a very real and practical alternative
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Comment
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a practical solution to keep the community engaged but the
>>>>>>> devil is in the details.  We have a serious digital divide which impacts
>>>>>>> the ATLARGE community.  Since ICANN has  Multistakeholderism baked into its
>>>>>>> DNA it is critical to provide communities with the tools to properly
>>>>>>> engage.   In Canada, especially in the far- north, in the US  tribal lands,
>>>>>>> as well as in rural areas(2), among students(3)  and in poor urban
>>>>>>> communities(4) there is a serious digital divide that makes it next
>>>>>>> to impossible to participate fully in the meetings. In fact, if there are
>>>>>>> few participants in such areas, it is not because they don’t want to
>>>>>>> participate. They simply cannot participate unless their internet
>>>>>>> accessibility issues are addressed. Although ICANN cannot be responsible
>>>>>>> for all digital divide issues, it must recognize that these exist and
>>>>>>> perhaps look for alternative ways to deal with these -- create support
>>>>>>> groups, reach out locally with low tech methods, build partnerships with
>>>>>>> national, regional, and local organizations, etc..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Item Two;  Leverage Participation Tools
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is more important than ever that we leverage our remote
>>>>>>> participation tools to continue effectively engaging and supporting our
>>>>>>> community in the work that needs to be done; at the very least, over the
>>>>>>> next four months.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Comments
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not just a matter of online tools ie. Zoom,  Adobe, Bluejean
>>>>>>> etc or accessibility issues, but about the bandwidth required by any or all
>>>>>>> of them. Moreover, many within At Large have uneven connectivity speeds and
>>>>>>> others are burdened with very high Internet costs and extremely slow
>>>>>>> speeds. This combined with the loss of income by many of the participants
>>>>>>> due to COVID-19  making it harder for them to pay for the extra data needed
>>>>>>> to participate in the At Large or other ICANN related calls.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Item  Three   Online Courses/ Webinars
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are working with the community to ensure that high-priority
>>>>>>> topics for this period are being addressed and are creating new
>>>>>>> opportunities and training for our stakeholders within At Large to
>>>>>>> participate. As such, we are looking at facilitating these efforts and
>>>>>>> adding a variety of additional activities to build capacity, to attract new
>>>>>>> participants, and to educate, and engage these new participants. These
>>>>>>> activities will include informative webinars, ICANN Learn modules,
>>>>>>> lectures, and ICANN Public Meeting readouts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, this strategy of engagement is only possible where
>>>>>>> high-speed Internet access is available and the end-user has the funds to
>>>>>>> pay for the extra service.  We would be interested in learning about any
>>>>>>> surveys that ICANN LEARN staff have done on connectivity challenges of
>>>>>>> end-users.  A recent informal ATLARGE survey, although having only twenty
>>>>>>> responses, shows that participants in developing countries have limited
>>>>>>> bandwidth especially in many parts of Africa and small island states
>>>>>>> combined with high Internet costs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> General View
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the short run, the participation in the first virtual meeting
>>>>>>> (Cancun) while having very high participation, should be looked at as a
>>>>>>> novelty, this will not be the new norm. We do expect that participation in
>>>>>>> future meetings will drop until the economy gets back on track.
>>>>>>> Participants do not have the available income to spend on the access needed
>>>>>>> to actively participate in online meetings. We are at a serious risk of
>>>>>>> losing valuable volunteers. At Large participants are volunteers and unlike
>>>>>>> other constituencies, they do this outside their paid jobs and often take a
>>>>>>> vacation to attend ICANN Meetings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Our community unlike the other the government or business community
>>>>>>> do not have the luxury of sponsorship to carry on their volunteerism.  Our
>>>>>>> community has had to dig into their own pockets to pay to participate. If
>>>>>>> the economy does not pick up we can see a substantial loss of participants
>>>>>>> from locations we cannot afford to lose.  We propose that ICANN recognize
>>>>>>> the value of these participants and create a special connectivity fund. The
>>>>>>> process and procedure could be worked out in a simple application and
>>>>>>> approval process.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Recommendations
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Provide the stipend to all elected ATLARGE community members
>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Provide an opportunity to ALS members to receive an Internet
>>>>>>>    Connectivity voucher to offset their high Internet costs so they can
>>>>>>>    participate.
>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    ICANN LEARN should conduct a true connectivity survey of all
>>>>>>>    users.
>>>>>>>    -
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Improve upon the end-user survey at the end of all ICANN Public
>>>>>>>    webinars to get feedback on participation and connectivity experiences ie.
>>>>>>>    latency, quality etc
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Conclusion
>>>>>>> Under development
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Footnotes
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    1.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/forecasting-us.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    2.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    60% of farmers in the US report very poor Broadband speeds
>>>>>>>    https://api.unitedsoybean.org/uploads/documents/58546-1-ruralbroadband-whitepages-final.pdf?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Newsletters&utm_source=sendgrid
>>>>>>>    3.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Students and digital divide
>>>>>>>    https://internetgovernancehub.blog/2020/04/10/when-school-is-online-the-digital-divide-grows-greater/
>>>>>>>    4.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Poor and Digital Divide
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    https://internetgovernancehub.blog/2020/04/29/digital-divide-isolates-and-endangers-millions-of-uks-poorest/
>>>>>>>    5.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Broadband  Infographic
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glenn McKnight
>>>>>>> ICANN NOMCOM 2019-2021
>>>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>>>>>>> Curator for  Internet Governance Hub Blog
>>>>>>> www.internetgovernancehub.blog
>>>>>>> <http://www.internetgovernancehub.blog>
>>>>>>> http://toronto.ieee.ca/
>>>>>>> IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
>>>>>>> glenn.mcknight at ieee.org
>>>>>>> skype  gmcknight
>>>>>>> twitter @Inkmedia
>>>>>>> 289-830 6259
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 3:59 PM Maureen Hilyard <
>>>>>>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> From: Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Sat, May 2, 2020 at 3:10 PM
>>>>>>> To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Glenn,
>>>>>>> I have more to add but did not get a chance on Friday to put in but
>>>>>>> will do so tomorrow
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Judith
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>>>> judith at jhellerstein.com
>>>>>>> Skype ID:JudithHellerstein
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 2, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Glenn McKnight <
>>>>>>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> From: Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:49 PM
>>>>>>> To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>, At Large <
>>>>>>> at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>>>> Greetings everyone from Sénégal.
>>>>>>> +1 @Glen who raised issues that i'm personaly facing in this sad
>>>>>>> pandemic moment.
>>>>>>> I Also approve the concrete proposals of Remmy.
>>>>>>> Most ALSes are certainly on these needs too.
>>>>>>> Much appreciate if ICANN could make as proposed.
>>>>>>> Warm regards
>>>>>>> Olévié
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Mon, May 4, 2020 at 6:02 PM
>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Maureen,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My humble and personal take to this is that similar to the
>>>>>>> fellowship program, we could consider support to community members who
>>>>>>> dedicate significant time and resources to ICANN's mission by contributing
>>>>>>> to the work of various supporting organizations and Advisory Commitees and
>>>>>>> the overall mission of ICANN. It is true engaging in SO/AC work costs
>>>>>>> valuable time for those whose day job may not necessarily be around the DNS
>>>>>>> ecosystem.  Significant resources are incurred to get online and to have
>>>>>>> the right tools that can enable meaningful participation and contribution
>>>>>>> to ICANN's work. I welcome the idea of reimbursing some of the costs
>>>>>>> incurred on connectivity or any other aspect as may be determined through a
>>>>>>> suitable process considering the continuous nature of the work we are doing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Barrack O. Otieno
>>>>>>> +254721325277
>>>>>>> +254733206359
>>>>>>> Skype: barrack.otieno
>>>>>>> PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------
>>>>>>> From: LUKE KAPCHANGA <wanjalaluke1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Date: Tue, May 5, 2020 at 6:41 AM
>>>>>>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Maureen ,
>>>>>>> Glenn has captured what some of go through, if not worse. I am based
>>>>>>> in rural areas of Kenya. To attend online meetings   I depend at times on
>>>>>>> cyber cafes, which are not very reliable, yet the best option. The COVID
>>>>>>> 19, has worsened the situation. The proposal to assist us from developing
>>>>>>> countries is welcome.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>
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