[At-Large] Fwd: Coping with active participation in At-Large during COVID-19

Remmy Nweke remmyn at gmail.com
Fri May 8 20:41:01 UTC 2020


Thanks Gleen for the consistency on this appeal,
 I expect RALO leaders, especially in Africa to take ownership of this,
considering that most people,in the region may not be too ready to assert
their situation, by making a case for members.

I would also request @Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> even
though she may have sent in the feedback to @León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
<leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> to specifically request RALO to provide situation
reports aside individual contributions to this trend.
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On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 7:51 PM Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
wrote:

> As  stated before and worth repeating, many of our members are not
> prepared to cry the blues whilst they are suffering and will continue to
> suffer.  If we have any compassion of the community members we need to make
> efforts to help those in need and perhaps on the QT  the chairs of the
> RALO's can reach out privately and determine who is in need of a hand up.
> I  don't think anyone in NARALO is in this situation but I would leave it
> to Eduardo to comment.  My guess is that  10 or so members may need the
> helping hand and a couple of hundred dollars would go along way to assist
> them in participating in our  calls.
> Glenn
> Glenn McKnight
> ICANN NOMCOM 2019-2021
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> Curator for  Internet Governance Hub Blog
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>
> On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 1:49 PM Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Leon
>>
>> Here is the discussion that arose out of the request from the ALAC
>> meeting. I am so grateful that the community restricted their comments to
>> those that were most thoughtful and considerate of ICANN's situation while
>> also taking into account some of the hardship issues experienced by our
>> volunteers at this time.  I forward all the emails received on the topic (I
>> had one instance where the email was on another topic and once revealed,
>> the sender asked for it to be removed).
>>
>> One case which only very recently came to my attention was Daniel
>> Nanghaka who was in the US attending an AMEX Leadership course in
>> Washington DC when the flights out of US were grounded and he could not
>> return to Uganda. He has been staying with friends in Massachusetts but
>> living very frugally on his limited resources. Even though he has tried,
>> his contacts with the Uganda Embassy in Washington DC have not been
>> responded to (as of yesterday) and neither has AMEX been of any real
>> assistance to his plight. I have suggested that he persist and if possible
>> return to Washington DC to get his government's support directly.
>> Fortunately he is still within scope of his current visa, but who knows how
>> long will he have to remain in a foreign country without any resources?
>> Daniel hadn't raised his situation with us because his reason for being
>> there was not directly related to ICANN, except that *he is worried *that
>> he may not be able to participate in his meetings because internet
>> connection is expensive and it is draining what little resources he has at
>> the moment, even to take his own O&E meetings. This is an extreme case but
>> a real live situation for one of our leadership team.
>>
>> The cost of internet and the loss of jobs especially for those in
>> developing countries will make ICANN's work of less priority, especially
>> when they have to worry more about how to feed and care for their families
>> in situations where the pandemic is still rabid, and it is the impoverished
>> areas that are being hardest hit. While I know that ICANN cannot save the
>> world, it saddens me to know what some of our hardest-working volunteers
>> are experiencing in their real worlds... and yet at the same time there is
>> still a flow of even more meetings than before, even within At-Large, with
>> an expectation of more volunteer input into issues that ICANN has to
>> resolve. All I can say is that the longer this situation exists, the
>> greater the chance of those voices that we have been working really hard to
>> encourage to join our discussions, will disappear and our multistakeholder
>> model will be truly lost. But what can ICANN do and what more can we do as
>> volunteers who are already stretched within our own bubbles just to keep
>> ourselves safe? This is our dilemma.
>>
>> Regards
>> Maureen
>>
>>
>> Forwarded Conversation
>> Subject: Coping with active participation in At-Large during COVID-19
>> ------------------------
>>
>> From: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 9:58 AM
>> To: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Dear At-Large Community
>>
>> In all our recent ICANN meetings, the Board and the senior staff have
>> been very mindful of the difficulties that are being experienced by the
>> volunteer community of At-Large during this pandemic and its impact on
>> their ability to participate as regularly as they used to.
>>
>> During his intervention in the ALAC meeting on  28 April, the At-Large
>> appointed Board member, Leon Sanchez, raised his ongoing concerns and asked
>> the 70+ participants at the meeting how ICANN might be able to help
>> volunteers to continue with their active involvement in the work of
>> At-Large and contributing to the bigger picture work of ICANN.
>>
>> Because he has requested practical and constructive suggestions about how
>> ICANN may be able to assist, I am putting this message out to those who
>> also already attend online meetings and actively participate and engage,
>> even under really trying personal circumstances. I am willing to pass on
>> your suggestions to Leon, who will in turn take these to the Board for
>> their consideration.
>>
>> *Please respond only to this thread* before 7 May, so that the full
>> account can be passed on to Leon.  I look forward to your thoughtful
>> contributions to this matter.
>>
>> Regards
>> Maureen
>> ALAC Chair
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> From: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 10:22 AM
>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Thanks  Maureen
>> As  you know this is an issue I brought up in the ALT PLUS call a week
>> before the ZOOM call this week  with Leon, at that time I interfaced with
>> Leon on the dire straits that some people are facing during this pandemic
>> situation and that many folks are unwilling to step forward and publicly
>> come to the table with a "cap in their hands"
>>
>> We are facing a 4% drop in the world economy and this means a
>> depression much worse than the Great Depression.   Also this Covid-19 may
>> see a serious second and third wave resulting in many more deaths and
>> economic disruption.  ( shades of the 1918 pandemic that killed 100
>> million)
>>
>> I would surmise that  we have in the ATLARGE community that many folks
>> are unemployed or underemployed and facing tough times and seriously
>> compounded in countries that don't have any safety net to protect them and
>> help them over the difficult times.  Since charity starts at home I suggest
>> ICANN  dig into its pockets as  ISOC and Mozilla and many others and come
>> up with a financial assistance to those that could really appreciate the
>> support.   I suggest that  the  stipend for the ICANN Meetings to be paid
>> to the ATLARGE members which will cover their internet costs and food costs
>> as they fully participate with the remote meetings.    In the cases where
>> people don't want or need this financial support they can simple not apply
>> for the stipend and the financial costs would be reduced.  It should be
>> confidential and an optional application process.
>>
>> In a recent survey of Atlarge members we found a large number of African
>> and small island states with very poor internet access and very high costs
>> for their access to the Internet.  This produces a digital divide that
>> needs to be recognized and if not addressed  we may loose more members from
>> the community.  As recommendations to join more online meetings and join
>> ICANN LEARN webinars its an assumption that  we all have fair and equal
>> access  and this inequality is enhanced with more reliance on remote
>> participation
>>
>> Glenn McKnight
>> ICANN NOMCOM 2019-2021
>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>> Curator for  Internet Governance Hub Blog
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>> http://toronto.ieee.ca/
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>> glenn.mcknight at ieee.org
>> skype  gmcknight
>> twitter @Inkmedia
>> 289-830 6259
>> .
>>
>> ----------
>>>
>> From: Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com>
>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:20 AM
>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Maureen,
>> This is very thoughtful both of ICANN, ALAC and Leon.
>>
>> For me, the best possible way to encourage participation should have been:
>>
>> 1. To have data palliative, but it looks cumbersome from ICANN end down
>> to the local service providers.
>>
>> 2. An alternative is to have an aggregated sum approved for e.g. 4 months
>> = USD600; to be given to participants to cushion their data effect paid
>> directly to them (both mobile device and laptop). Thereby easing off at
>> ICANN end and also encouraging participant to optimise the resource to
>> their most essential needs including more data, because some may have
>> purchased data ahead, say two months in a row.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
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>> From: <carlosraul at gutierrez.se>
>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 11:44 AM
>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Thank you Maureen and Léon !
>>
>> 1. We in LACRALO have already adapted our meeting hours to avoid
>> conflicts with working hours as far as possible. Thanks to our Brazilian
>> and Uruguayan friends that's stay up late, the westerners in Mexico in
>> Costa Rica have meeting only after 4pm or so.
>> REQUEST;
>> 1. Can't we do choose two convenient blocks of time over the day so
>> that's global meetings only happen outside of sleeping hours?
>> 2. Can we start using those blocks of time ASAP
>> 3. Can we keep those Blocks for the Kuala Lumpur virtual meeting instead
>> of the local time there?
>> 4. If all of the above is not possible: can we spread the Kuala Lumpur
>> meeting into 2-3 power weekend meetings online?
>>
>> Seriously, if we are going to spend the next few months on virtual
>> meetings, it makes no sense to use the planning frameworks and time blocks
>> of Face to Face meetings.
>>
>>
>> Thanks! Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> From: Vanda Scartezini <vanda at scartezini.org>
>> Date: Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 12:06 PM
>> To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>, Maureen Hilyard <
>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Dear  Glenn  and Maureen
>>
>>
>>
>> These thoughts are really relevant when we can see in developing region
>> several medium class persons are struggled to feed their families without
>> work.
>>
>> Here, as developing country,  the government is performing a quite
>> complex operation,  providing a 120 – 240 ( widows with children)
>>  correspondent USD to 56 millions  ( ¼ of our population) of persons and
>> had open up a 26 million of a special bank account to those not having one
>>  in the public bank, and will pay such amount during 3 months or even
>> longer depend upon the winter ( even mild one here) season. The amount
>>  represents what  we call basic basket with food and cleaner and hygienic
>> items for one month of a family of 4. The basic mobile are reduced  and
>> energy are sponsored  for  those families.
>>
>> Helping people to attend our meetings on line in places where they need
>> to spend too much special nowadays  paying internet or even 3G for a
>> volunteer activity,  does not see  will break ICANN’s finances and
>> certainly will help a lot to keep these relevant community with us.
>>
>> Thanks for these relevant proposal that I do believe really help the
>> engagement of our community.
>>
>> We can also help to state who,  in our regions, is really in need of
>> help. Some even to feed their families.
>>
>> Kisses and take care
>>
>>
>>
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>> ----------
>> From: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>> Date: Sat, May 2, 2020 at 4:28 AM
>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Here is the draft response from* NARALO* . Note we are still  working
>> out the logistics of the ideas  and its not final .  I am sharing it for
>> inspiration purpose.
>> The  bold and italic comments are excerpts from ICANN's comments direct
>> from the ICANN page
>>
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-_IO9vxnl2AUyrPE2zcL19UjyDPbl5DQHTLvWxX1q6Q/edit?usp=sharing
>>
>> Supporting the Work of Our Global Community over the Next Few Months:
>> Leveraging Remote Participation
>>
>> Link to document
>>
>>
>> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/supporting-the-work-of-our-global-community-over-the-next-few-months-leveraging-remote-participation
>>
>>
>> Facts
>>
>>    -
>>
>>    All ICANN Face to Face meetings on hold to Sept 2020
>>
>>
>> Reality
>>
>>    -
>>
>>    The Pandemic will likely be worse in the fall according to the CDC
>>    comments and likely it will be into 2021. (1)  and resulting in no
>>    Face to Face meetings during that year
>>
>>
>> Item One:  Remote Participation
>>
>> ICANN has always embraced remote participation. It is what makes our work
>> accessible to a global community and enables us to get the work done
>> between meetings. COVID-19 has made remote engagement even more crucial,
>> and a very real and practical alternative
>>
>> Comment
>>
>> This is a practical solution to keep the community engaged but the devil
>> is in the details.  We have a serious digital divide which impacts the
>> ATLARGE community.  Since ICANN has  Multistakeholderism baked into its DNA
>> it is critical to provide communities with the tools to properly engage.
>> In Canada, especially in the far- north, in the US  tribal lands, as well
>> as in rural areas(2), among students(3)  and in poor urban communities(4)
>> there is a serious digital divide that makes it next to impossible to
>> participate fully in the meetings. In fact, if there are few participants
>> in such areas, it is not because they don’t want to participate. They
>> simply cannot participate unless their internet accessibility issues are
>> addressed. Although ICANN cannot be responsible for all digital divide
>> issues, it must recognize that these exist and perhaps look for alternative
>> ways to deal with these -- create support groups, reach out locally with
>> low tech methods, build partnerships with national, regional, and local
>> organizations, etc..
>>
>>
>> Item Two;  Leverage Participation Tools
>>
>> It is more important than ever that we leverage our remote participation
>> tools to continue effectively engaging and supporting our community in the
>> work that needs to be done; at the very least, over the next four months.
>>
>> Comments
>>
>> It is not just a matter of online tools ie. Zoom,  Adobe, Bluejean etc or
>> accessibility issues, but about the bandwidth required by any or all of
>> them. Moreover, many within At Large have uneven connectivity speeds and
>> others are burdened with very high Internet costs and extremely slow
>> speeds. This combined with the loss of income by many of the participants
>> due to COVID-19  making it harder for them to pay for the extra data needed
>> to participate in the At Large or other ICANN related calls.
>>
>>  Item  Three   Online Courses/ Webinars
>>
>> We are working with the community to ensure that high-priority topics for
>> this period are being addressed and are creating new opportunities and
>> training for our stakeholders within At Large to participate. As such, we
>> are looking at facilitating these efforts and adding a variety of
>> additional activities to build capacity, to attract new participants, and
>> to educate, and engage these new participants. These activities will
>> include informative webinars, ICANN Learn modules, lectures, and ICANN
>> Public Meeting readouts.
>>
>> However, this strategy of engagement is only possible where high-speed
>> Internet access is available and the end-user has the funds to pay for the
>> extra service.  We would be interested in learning about any surveys that
>> ICANN LEARN staff have done on connectivity challenges of end-users.  A
>> recent informal ATLARGE survey, although having only twenty responses,
>> shows that participants in developing countries have limited bandwidth
>> especially in many parts of Africa and small island states combined with
>> high Internet costs.
>>
>> General View
>>
>> In the short run, the participation in the first virtual meeting (Cancun)
>> while having very high participation, should be looked at as a novelty,
>> this will not be the new norm. We do expect that participation in future
>> meetings will drop until the economy gets back on track. Participants do
>> not have the available income to spend on the access needed to actively
>> participate in online meetings. We are at a serious risk of losing valuable
>> volunteers. At Large participants are volunteers and unlike other
>> constituencies, they do this outside their paid jobs and often take a
>> vacation to attend ICANN Meetings.
>>
>>  Our community unlike the other the government or business community do
>> not have the luxury of sponsorship to carry on their volunteerism.  Our
>> community has had to dig into their own pockets to pay to participate. If
>> the economy does not pick up we can see a substantial loss of participants
>> from locations we cannot afford to lose.  We propose that ICANN recognize
>> the value of these participants and create a special connectivity fund. The
>> process and procedure could be worked out in a simple application and
>> approval process.
>>
>>
>>
>> Recommendations
>>
>>    -
>>
>>    Provide the stipend to all elected ATLARGE community members
>>    -
>>
>>    Provide an opportunity to ALS members to receive an Internet
>>    Connectivity voucher to offset their high Internet costs so they can
>>    participate.
>>    -
>>
>>    ICANN LEARN should conduct a true connectivity survey of all users.
>>    -
>>
>>    Improve upon the end-user survey at the end of all ICANN Public
>>    webinars to get feedback on participation and connectivity experiences ie.
>>    latency, quality etc
>>
>>
>>
>> Conclusion
>> Under development
>>
>> Footnotes
>>
>>    1.
>>
>>
>>    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/forecasting-us.html
>>
>>    2.
>>
>>    60% of farmers in the US report very poor Broadband speeds
>>    https://api.unitedsoybean.org/uploads/documents/58546-1-ruralbroadband-whitepages-final.pdf?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Newsletters&utm_source=sendgrid
>>    3.
>>
>>    Students and digital divide
>>    https://internetgovernancehub.blog/2020/04/10/when-school-is-online-the-digital-divide-grows-greater/
>>    4.
>>
>>    Poor and Digital Divide
>>
>>    https://internetgovernancehub.blog/2020/04/29/digital-divide-isolates-and-endangers-millions-of-uks-poorest/
>>    5.
>>
>>    Broadband  Infographic
>>
>>
>>
>> Glenn McKnight
>> ICANN NOMCOM 2019-2021
>> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com
>> Curator for  Internet Governance Hub Blog
>> www.internetgovernancehub.blog  <http://www.internetgovernancehub.blog>
>> http://toronto.ieee.ca/
>> IEEE Toronto SIGHT Chair
>> glenn.mcknight at ieee.org
>> skype  gmcknight
>> twitter @Inkmedia
>> 289-830 6259
>> .
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 3:59 PM Maureen Hilyard <
>> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>
>> ----------
>> From: Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com>
>> Date: Sat, May 2, 2020 at 3:10 PM
>> To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Hi Glenn,
>> I have more to add but did not get a chance on Friday to put in but will
>> do so tomorrow
>>
>> Best,
>> Judith
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>> judith at jhellerstein.com
>> Skype ID:JudithHellerstein
>>
>> On May 2, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> ----------
>> From: Olivier Kouami <olivierkouami at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, May 4, 2020 at 12:49 PM
>> To: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>, At Large <
>> at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Hi all.
>> Greetings everyone from Sénégal.
>> +1 @Glen who raised issues that i'm personaly facing in this sad pandemic
>> moment.
>> I Also approve the concrete proposals of Remmy.
>> Most ALSes are certainly on these needs too.
>> Much appreciate if ICANN could make as proposed.
>> Warm regards
>> Olévié
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> From: Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com>
>> Date: Mon, May 4, 2020 at 6:02 PM
>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>> Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>
>>
>> Hi Maureen,
>>
>> My humble and personal take to this is that similar to the fellowship
>> program, we could consider support to community members who dedicate
>> significant time and resources to ICANN's mission by contributing to the
>> work of various supporting organizations and Advisory Commitees and the
>> overall mission of ICANN. It is true engaging in SO/AC work costs valuable
>> time for those whose day job may not necessarily be around the DNS
>> ecosystem.  Significant resources are incurred to get online and to have
>> the right tools that can enable meaningful participation and contribution
>> to ICANN's work. I welcome the idea of reimbursing some of the costs
>> incurred on connectivity or any other aspect as may be determined through a
>> suitable process considering the continuous nature of the work we are doing.
>>
>> Best Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Barrack O. Otieno
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>> +254733206359
>> Skype: barrack.otieno
>> PGP ID: 0x2611D86A
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> From: LUKE KAPCHANGA <wanjalaluke1 at gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, May 5, 2020 at 6:41 AM
>> To: Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Maureen ,
>> Glenn has captured what some of go through, if not worse. I am based in
>> rural areas of Kenya. To attend online meetings   I depend at times on
>> cyber cafes, which are not very reliable, yet the best option. The COVID
>> 19, has worsened the situation. The proposal to assist us from developing
>> countries is welcome.
>>
>>>
>>
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