[At-Large] The visa to Canada and fall of participation of LAC in ATLAS III

Sun Oct 27 06:21:52 UTC 2019

The problem that we all face during travelling from Asia, Latin and Africa
to developed nation including Europe  is not a question of solution but
there is no solution to it. Every embassy has their own set of rules and
regulations which cannot be standarized. Going through the process is a
hectic process that not only drains your energy but also your time.

I would also like to suggest to do the preparation as soon as the names are
published I start my application process from inquiry to contacting ICANN
staff for various required documents so that atleast I would have a reapply
time.

I am sad and just want to say we all have been there in that shoe and we
feel your pain  🙏🙏 🙏🙏 🙏🙏

Shreedeep

On Sun, Oct 27, 2019, 11:11 AM Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear All,
> My heart goes with all those whom visas were declined. What makes it more
> bitter that your country fellow traveller did get a visa travelling to the
> same event.
>
> I know the agony, time consuming and the cost you all go through because I
> myself must go through this every single travel - only less than handful of
> countries grant me visa upon arrival. Not to mention the cost, extra travel
> days and humiliation I go through to land borders crossing to travel from
> neighbouring country because we're not allowed to travel from where we
> live.
>
> One country that I applied to their visa in Laten America required me to
> provide an endorsed government document from the court proofs that I'm
> clear from any criminal records.
>
> The lengthy travelling visa application experience taught me to look at
> the positive side of the issue. What I do see in the case of all those
> Canadian visa applicants were declined that they do have the qualifications
> to be a candidate immigrants -given the assumption that their visa
> application and supporting documents are fully fulfilled.
>
> My advise to any future visa applicants to countries with reputation of
> declining visas to provide extra supporting documents to proof that they
> are deeply rooted in your countries and they have no intentions to
> immigrate. Providing bank account statement, a letter from employer, is
> not enough, they need to provide other documents even it is not listed as
> required. Examples, ownership of an assets, membership of local
> bodies/chapters that are globally acknowledged such as a member of chamber
> of commerce, Rotary, etc.
>
> I'm not defending Canada, but condemning the global international
> political system that makes each country has its own rules to defend its
> sovereignty.
>
> Wishing those whom visas declined this time never have this experience
> again.
>
> Nadira
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2019, 01:27 Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> +1 Evan
>>
>> IMHO, there are two ways to deal with issues: the first one, is to
>> analyse the problem and to try to understand it in detail, the second one
>> is to jump to conclusions and scream bloody murder. While you are never
>> sure to be able to solve the problem taking the former approach, you are
>> damn sure that taking the latter might get you brownie points but will not
>> get you one single inch forward.
>>
>> Last but not least, there is some fundamental racism in accusing others
>> of being racist not based on facts but only on presumption of behaviour, in
>> particular when these presumptions go against the evidence.
>>
>> And now, open for flames,
>> R.
>>
>>
>> On 26.10.2019, at 11:14, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 at 19:26, Peters Omoragbon <petersomoragbon at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It is not only insulting but dehumanising for Canada to disrespect
>>> Africans with this racist diplomacy.
>>>
>>
>> It's my understanding, from my own attempts to intervene on behalf of
>> people needing visas for events in which I have been involved, that the
>> problem is not racial so much as country-specific. The overly harsh
>> measures stem from significant numbers of people from specific countries
>> coming on tourist or conference visas who never go home and then apply for
>> Canadian immigrant status from inside the country. This is widely seen
>> domestically as "queue-jumping" and unfair to the conventional immigration
>> process. As a result, tourist or conference applications from these
>> designated countries are checked against a number of criteria that indicate
>> the likeliness of  a traveller to return home after the trip. I'm not an
>> expert in this and I don't fully agree with the policies so I won't defend
>> them, but to the best of my awareness this is the rationale.
>>
>> Not all of the countries flagged this way are in Africa (as Sergio noted
>> in the start of this thread); the list changes periodically based on the
>> sources of the "queue jumpers". So I'm not sure that the policy is racist,
>> or that calling it racist is actually going to accomplish anything useful.
>> I fully understand the insult and that it's dehumanizing, and the issue is
>> highly political within Canada. However, attributing sinister motivation
>> that isn't in evidence will not get you far.
>>
>> People with valid USA and European visas to be told they cannot leave
>>> Canada after the event.
>>>
>>
>> OK, that's just a complete untruth. Unlike many countries, Canada doesn't
>> even do passport checks for departures. Whether any other country will
>> allow travellers in is a different story, but in my many years of age I'm
>> not aware of any foreigner denied the ability to leave Canada unless
>> charged with a crime.
>>
>> The biggest problem that I have encountered is that the visa application
>> process needs to be started WAY in advance. Many are improperly rejected.
>> An review/appeal process exists, but it doesn't happen quickly and
>> sometimes people just run out of time. Having a good Canadian host to help
>> with visa issues is important.
>>
>> What is in Canada.
>>>
>>
>> https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/canada
>>
>> The visa problem wouldn't exist if nobody wanted to move here.
>>
>> We need open up an online protest for signatures demanding Canada
>>> respects Cross borders'foreign relations!
>>>
>>
>> I have no idea what you're asking for. Please be specific on what
>> relations need to be respected that are not now.
>> - Evan
>>
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