[At-Large] ATLASIII Participation
Roberto Gaetano
roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com
Fri Jul 12 13:16:39 UTC 2019
Hi Christian,
A couple of comments.
While I may agree with you that ICAN is by and large insufficient as a forum where the users’ voice is represented, I cannot think of another venue where we could have a different situation. If you have an idea, please share it.
As a mathematician, I also have some perplexity on your estimates. 99.99999999% of people unaware of ICANN means that only 0.00000001% of the world population, estimated at below 10 billions, is aware. 0.00000001% of the population is barely 1 individual. My question is: “Who is this only individual on earth that believes that ICANN matters?” 😜
Cheers,
Roberto
> On 12.07.2019, at 14:53, Christian de Larrinaga <cdel at firsthand.net> wrote:
>
> In no way to detract from any point you are making. But this is the
> first I've heard about ATLAS participation or these ICANN courses. I
> also have no idea whether this matters in the slightest.
>
> I suspect I am within a mere 99.99999999% of the Internet userbase on
> that. I would also argue that I am probably much more aware of ICANN
> than most Internet users.
>
> This leads me to feel that ICANN is not an appropriate venue to
> represent my interests or views.
>
> C
>
> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond wrote:
>> Dear Vanda,
>>
>> thank you - that is exactly what I wanted to say. I'll come clean: in
>> the preparation phase, I pushed for everyone to follow the same
>> courses for two reasons:
>>
>> 1. Making sure that everybody had reached a high enough level of
>> knowledge by the time we get to Montreal, that we do not end up
>> wasting time on explaining how, for example, the GNSO works during the
>> precious time that we will have face to face. I actually think that
>> learning about ICANN this way is a real benefit to end users - it is
>> vital knowledge needed to evolve in this environment.
>> 2. Making sure that other people in the group, the seasoned members of
>> At-Large, knew what level of knowledge everyone was expected to
>> achieve prior to the meeting, so that we do not end up with a
>> discussion in Montréal that involves 15 expert members of the
>> community and the rest not understanding what the heck they are
>> talking about.
>>
>> Whilst I sympathize with people like Evan who have not been selected,
>> the complaints about the ICANN learn courses being too long and a
>> waste of time and not being bothered to finish them do not have my
>> sympathy. Sorry. I took all of the mandatory courses, and in fact I
>> also took all of the other ones on the ICANN Learn Web site too, in
>> order to find out what was out there. It took me no more than an hour
>> per course on the non mandatory ones, namely because in cases where I
>> knew the topic well I either fast forwarded the video segments, or ran
>> it at a higher speed than the original. I even ended up sending dozens
>> of corrections to fix the courses to ICANN Learn staff. And lo and
>> behold, I actually came across some real nuggets where I learnt
>> something - and this has completed my education, where I can now
>> comment on more topics that I better understand than before, in the
>> public consultation process. And yes, I am really happy that I took
>> the courses, because I enjoy learning more stuff, and I did.
>> So 5 x 1 hour = 5 hours. The Group that had to focus on Capacity
>> Building asked each other: is it reasonable to ask a volunteer to
>> spend 5 hours on a course within the length of 1 month? And the answer
>> was YES. This could be done in chunks of 15 minutes, if wanted. It
>> was really not a real workload.
>> Now I am reading many emails from many people about them not being
>> able to complete the courses in time. Well, there were also the
>> Webinars, as an even easier alternative. I am sorry this has taken out
>> some people, but I would have expected a better and more positive
>> response from seasoned participants. My outlook in life is that I am
>> never confident enough to think that I do not require a refresher
>> course - because the world moves on and I cannot rely solely on my
>> past knowledge.
>>
>> Kindest regards,
>>
>> Olivier
>>
>> On 11/07/2019 21:34, Vanda Scartezini wrote:
>>>
>>> Being in ICANN for around 20 years and have been using the e-learning
>>> courses for long time in capacitation to others, I was one that felt
>>> no real need to attend all courses or webinar.
>>>
>>> But I did all those, because rules in a worldwide selection are there
>>> to be followed, no exception shall be made if there was a selection
>>> criteria.
>>>
>>> I am sorry not to have well prepared people attending ATLAS III, but
>>> I see no point in complain against the rules clearer stated before
>>> the beginning of the process.
>>>
>>> best to all
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *From: *At-Large <at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf
>>> of John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com>
>>> *Date: *Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 15:02
>>> *To: *Humberto Carrasco <hcarrasco at cmsz.cl>
>>> *Cc: *'At-Large Worldwide' <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>> *Subject: *Re: [At-Large] Fwd: ATLASIII Participation
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 1:01 PM Humberto Carrasco <hcarrasco at cmsz.cl
>>> <mailto:hcarrasco at cmsz.cl>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear John,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please, do not forget that webinars were an alternative of online
>>> courses.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>> El 11-07-2019, a la(s) 13:55, John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com
>>> <mailto:jlaprise at gmail.com>> escribió:
>>>
>>> Hi Evan,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Simply put, it wasn't about you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The program committee, ALAC and the selection committee
>>> agreed that participation in the webinars was a hard
>>> requirement. Full stop.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Making exceptions would have opened a can of worms we decided
>>> to leave sealed, for better or worse.
>>>
>>> Sent from my Pixel 3XL
>>>
>>> John Laprise, Ph.D.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 12:49 PM Evan Leibovitch
>>> <evan at telly.org <mailto:evan at telly.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Judith.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, I applied before the deadline. I committed to take
>>> the "how does ICANN work" courses but apparently didn't
>>> finish them in time. So apparently I have not
>>> sufficiently demonstrated that I understand how ALAC
>>> operates within ICANN.
>>>
>>> (BTW, thouse ICANN learn courses are all aimed at
>>> registrants' PoV -- they miss much that is important to
>>> end users -- ie, At-Large. But, according to the
>>> selection committee, I don't know enough about this kind
>>> of thing.)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Evan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 13:28, Judith Hellerstein
>>> <judith at jhellerstein.com
>>> <mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> HI Evan,
>>>
>>> Did you apply? I was not on the evaluating team but
>>> as I understand it there were very few applications
>>> from NARALO
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Judith
>>>
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>>> On 7/11/2019 1:19 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>>>
>>> Having been rejected from participating because I
>>> would have been such a tourist, I have no comment.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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