[At-Large] Fwd: ATLASIII Participation

Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond ocl at gih.com
Fri Jul 12 10:03:35 UTC 2019


Dear Vanda,

thank you - that is exactly what I wanted to say. I'll come clean: in
the preparation phase, I pushed for everyone to follow the same courses
for two reasons:

1. Making sure that everybody had reached a high enough level of
knowledge by the time we get to Montreal, that we do not end up wasting
time on explaining how, for example, the GNSO works during the precious
time that we will have face to face. I actually think that learning
about ICANN this way is a real benefit to end users - it is vital
knowledge needed to evolve in this environment.
2. Making sure that other people in the group, the seasoned members of
At-Large, knew what level of knowledge everyone was expected to achieve
prior to the meeting, so that we do not end up with a discussion in
Montréal that involves 15 expert members of the community and the rest
not understanding what the heck they are talking about.

Whilst I sympathize with people like Evan who have not been selected,
the complaints about the ICANN learn courses being too long and a waste
of time and not being bothered to finish them do not have my sympathy.
Sorry. I took all of the mandatory courses, and in fact I also took all
of the other ones on the ICANN Learn Web site too, in order to find out
what was out there. It took me no more than an hour per course on the
non mandatory ones, namely because in cases where I knew the topic well
I either fast forwarded the video segments, or ran it at a higher speed
than the original. I even ended up sending dozens of corrections to fix
the courses to ICANN Learn staff. And lo and behold, I actually came
across some real nuggets where I learnt something - and this has
completed my education, where I can now comment on more topics that I
better understand than before, in the public consultation process. And
yes, I am really happy that I took the courses, because I enjoy learning
more stuff, and I did.
So 5 x 1 hour = 5 hours. The Group that had to focus on Capacity
Building asked each other: is it reasonable to ask a volunteer to spend
5 hours on a course within the length of 1 month? And the answer was
YES.  This could be done in chunks of 15 minutes, if wanted. It was
really not a real workload.
Now I am reading many emails from many people about them not being able
to complete the courses in time. Well, there were also the Webinars, as
an even easier alternative. I am sorry this has taken out some people,
but I would have expected a better and more positive response from
seasoned participants. My outlook in life is that I am never confident
enough to think that I do not require a refresher course - because the
world moves on and I cannot rely solely on my past knowledge.

Kindest regards,

Olivier

On 11/07/2019 21:34, Vanda Scartezini wrote:
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> Being in ICANN for around 20 years and have been using the e-learning
> courses for long time in capacitation to others, I was one that felt
> no real need to attend all courses or webinar.
>
> But I did all those, because rules in a worldwide selection are there
> to be followed, no exception shall be made if there was a selection
> criteria.
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> I am sorry not to have well prepared people attending ATLAS III, but 
> I see no point in complain against the rules clearer stated before the
> beginning of the process.
>
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> *From: *At-Large <at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf
> of John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Thursday, July 11, 2019 at 15:02
> *To: *Humberto Carrasco <hcarrasco at cmsz.cl>
> *Cc: *'At-Large Worldwide' <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [At-Large] Fwd: ATLASIII Participation
>
>  
>
> Indeed
>
>  
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 1:01 PM Humberto Carrasco <hcarrasco at cmsz.cl
> <mailto:hcarrasco at cmsz.cl>> wrote:
>
>     Dear John,
>
>      
>
>     Please, do not forget that webinars were an alternative of online
>     courses.
>
>      
>
>      
>
>     Regards
>
>     Enviado desde mi iPhone
>
>
>     El 11-07-2019, a la(s) 13:55, John Laprise <jlaprise at gmail.com
>     <mailto:jlaprise at gmail.com>> escribió:
>
>         Hi Evan,
>
>          
>
>         Simply put, it wasn't about you.
>
>          
>
>         The program committee, ALAC and the selection committee agreed
>         that participation in the webinars was a hard requirement.
>         Full stop. 
>
>          
>
>         Making exceptions would have opened a can of worms we decided
>         to leave sealed, for better or worse.
>
>         Sent from my Pixel 3XL
>
>         John Laprise, Ph.D.
>
>          
>
>         On Thu, Jul 11, 2019, 12:49 PM Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org
>         <mailto:evan at telly.org>> wrote:
>
>             Hi Judith.
>
>              
>
>             Yes, I applied before the deadline. I committed to take
>             the "how does ICANN work" courses but apparently didn't
>             finish them in time. So apparently I have not sufficiently
>             demonstrated that I understand how ALAC operates within ICANN.
>
>             (BTW, thouse ICANN learn courses are all aimed at
>             registrants' PoV -- they miss much that is important to
>             end users -- ie, At-Large. But, according to the selection
>             committee, I don't know enough about this kind of thing.)
>
>              
>
>             - Evan
>
>              
>
>              
>
>             On Thu, 11 Jul 2019 at 13:28, Judith Hellerstein
>             <judith at jhellerstein.com <mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>>
>             wrote:
>
>                 HI Evan,
>
>                 Did you apply? I was not on the evaluating team but as
>                 I understand it there were very few applications from
>                 NARALO
>
>                 Best,
>
>                 Judith
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>                 On 7/11/2019 1:19 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
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>                     Having been rejected from participating because I
>                     would have been such a tourist, I have no comment.
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