[At-Large] A brexit problem that I heard about

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Mon Aug 20 15:40:05 UTC 2018


Olivier +1.
JJ.



Le 20 août 2018 à 17:22, à 17:22, "Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond" <ocl at gih.com> a écrit:
>Dear Michele,
>
>I never imagined I'd have to defend a registry in a discussion with
>you. :-)
>EuRID engaged with Registrars and clients in the UK even *before* the
>Brexit Referendum so I cannot agree that it is not engaging
>constructively. The rules are clear: you need to be an entity with an
>address in the EU.
>https://eurid.eu/en/register-a-eu-domain/brexit-notice/
>
>The majority vote in the UK has been to leave the EU. Blame the voters
>not EuRID that had clear rules that preceded the UK vote.
>Alternatively,
>open a subsidiary in an EU country and transfer the domain name to it.
>It is not that costly, especially if the domain name is so important.
>Kindest regards,
>
>Olivier
>
>On 20/08/2018 16:20, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>
>> The change isn’t New Year’s eve – it’d be March 2019
>>
>>  
>>
>> The issue is that the EC isn’t engaging constructively with
>registrars
>> or our clients, so it’s a total mess.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Allowing existing registrants to keep their .eu domains would be the
>> sanest way forward, but the EC doesn’t seem to be willing to discuss
>it.
>>
>>  
>>
>> And they’ve also started some insane plan about expanding who can
>> qualify for a .eu domain name without any real thought into how that
>> can be made a reality.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Oh the fun
>>
>>  
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>> Michele
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> --
>>
>> Mr Michele Neylon
>>
>> Blacknight Solutions
>>
>> Hosting, Colocation & Domains
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>  
>>
>> *From: *At-Large <at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org> on behalf
>> of Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>
>> *Date: *Monday 20 August 2018 at 14:35
>> *To: *Danko Jevtović <danko at jevtovic.rs>
>> *Cc: *At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>> *Subject: *Re: [At-Large] A brexit problem that I heard about
>>
>>  
>>
>> Danko,
>>
>> About EURID, I stand corrected, it is the EU who sets the rules.
>EURID
>> only enforces them as operator.
>>
>> I fully agree with you, it is all part of the global package and
>> nobody wants to start showing what the possible compromise points
>will
>> be. The problems, from the operation’s point of view, is that in case
>> of no compromise they have to do the job overnight on New Year’s Eve
>> and that this will happen before the Brexit deadline, so even if a
>> negotiation will be successful in 2019 the TLD changes could have
>been
>> effective already.
>>
>> A big mess, where, as usual, politics dictates and common sense, once
>> again, shows to be far less “common” than we think.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Roberto
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>     On 20.08.2018, at 13:53, Danko Jevtović <danko at jevtovic.rs
>>     <mailto:danko at jevtovic.rs>> wrote:
>>
>>      
>>
>>     I understand that it is not up to EURID, but to EC (European
>>     Commission), that hold the contract with EURID to manage to TLDs.
>>
>>      
>>
>>     The problem seems to be that possible solution (grandfathering
>>     clause) cannot be discussed outside of the whole package of
>Brexit
>>     negotiations, effectively blocking any reasonable progress.
>>
>>      
>>
>>     Danko
>>
>>      
>>
>>     *From:* At-Large <at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>     <mailto:at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> *On Behalf
>>     Of *Roberto Gaetano
>>     *Sent:* Monday, August 20, 2018 1:09 PM
>>     *To:* bzs at theworld.com <mailto:bzs at theworld.com>
>>     *Cc:* At Large <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [At-Large] A brexit problem that I heard about
>>
>>      
>>
>>     Hi Barry.
>>     You might have a point in principle.
>>     However the reality is that each TLD can decide its own rules,
>and
>>     therefore whether to be strict in terms of requirements - like
>for
>>     instance .bank - or loose - like for instance .com.
>>     .eu has chosen the first approach, and has all right to do so.
>>     Whether EURID is willing to make an exception for Brexit - based
>>     also on the consideration that, as far as I know, they do not
>make
>>     continuous checking about whether the resistant still complies
>>     with the requirements - or not, I don’t know. Apparently not.
>>     Cheers,
>>     Roberto
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         On 17.08.2018, at 19:31, bzs at theworld.com
>>         <mailto:bzs at theworld.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         Ok I'll say it...
>>
>>         How many of these affected *.EU domains were actually
>entities
>>         with
>>         some sort of EU charter or relationship as the TLD was
>>         approved for in
>>         2005?
>>
>>         I realize it's naive to point out that .NET was for
>networking
>>         organizations and .ORG for not-for-profits etc. in a world
>>         where we
>>         have .XYZ and .FAIL (must they really be FAILures?)
>>
>>         Ok that ship has sailed because no one wanted to enforce it
>as it
>>         would interfere with maximazing domain sales in those TLDs.
>>
>>         But are we really supposed to get lathered up about those who
>>         now got
>>         burned flouting all that?
>>
>>         What promise do those affected actually expect to be upheld?
>>         Chapter
>>         and verse not "well, we assumed..."?
>>
>>         And, no, marching out one or two bona-fide examples doesn't
>>         quite rise
>>         to a counter argument.
>>
>>         If there were only one or two or ten I'll guess they could be
>>         handled
>>         since they would have always had a legitimae reason to
>represent
>>         themselves with a .EU domain which one would hope would allow
>them
>>         some explicit accommodation.
>>
>>         -- 
>>               -Barry Shein
>>
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