[At-Large] [ALAC] Idea for an alternative to the EMM proposed in the At-Large Review

Dev Anand Teelucksingh devtee at gmail.com
Wed Feb 15 20:12:41 UTC 2017


An online At-Large Chapter can accept organisation members without
diversity restrictions. And the staff support would be the same as the
staff support given to a RALO.

Dev Anand

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <
apisan at unam.mx> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Aida, your note throws even starker light on the failures of both the
> ITEMS report and the "ICANN At Large Chapters proposal."
>
> Both make an untenable analogy between either individuals in the EMM or
> the Chapters in the At-Large Chapters model and the ISOC or Rotary
> chapters: membership in ISOC or Rotary Club is voluntary and is based on an
> affinity of ideas and mission with the organization, locally and/or
> globally.
>
> The "ICANN Chapters" model provides only one way to associate in order to
> interact with ICANN for at large, individual users and denies the diversity
> and self-organization of the communities.
>
> Christopher Wilkinson has pointed to an additional, severe flaw of the
> Chapters model: more intervention by staff. Doesn't anybody here remember
> the intense controversies about "a staff-driven ICANN"? (they are still
> raging around gTLDs and the IANA oversight transition.)
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
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> *Desde:* at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [
> at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Aida Noblia [
> aidanoblia at gmail.com]
> *Enviado el:* miércoles, 15 de febrero de 2017 10:25
> *Hasta:* Vanda Scartezini
> *CC:* at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> *Asunto:* Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] Idea for an alternative to the EMM
> proposed in the At-Large Review
>
> I agree with Vanda. Individuals can not be disconnected from RALOS. If
> there is one ISOC chapter per country as that organization has, all the
> individuals of a country are under a structure like ISOC, all these
> structures that are a Chapter by each country, should be under the
> structure of the corresponding RALO.
>
> All this seems to me a complication that at the moment is added to other
> policy issues that seem to be priorities to enter into contemplating some
> individual individuals that could be incorporated. But we do not know how
> many will be or if they will really have a stimulus to incorporate in that
> way.
>
> Then there would be the issue of voting ... Realmemte this is an extra
> complication that should be resolved with more time. In addition: we do not
> know how many people can integrate as well, we have no indication that this
> will really help to bring more people to work in ICANN. Perhaps the most
> practical and also necessary is to focus efforts on integrating more people
> who belong to the ALs that already exist into the work of ICANN. ..
>
> I still think that the current structure is good and that before changing
> it would have to adjust its operation and efficiency.
>
> Regards
>
> Aída
>
> 2017-02-15 10:58 GMT-03:00 Vanda Scartezini <vanda at scartezini.org>:
>
>> Agree with the problem- be part of an ALS normally demands engagement in
>> its work locally. So I am in favor to have individuals as members – even in
>> LACRALO we do not have this possibility. May become a good change.
>> What I am not in favor is to have individuals disconnected from the
>> Ralos. Ralos will have no clear meaning to grow with individuals running in
>> parallel , working whatever they want to with not alignment with related
>> Ralo.
>> Individuals can also join another groups under ICANN struture but will be
>> hard to have their work adding value to a particular region if disconnected
>> from the formal structure. Having a parallel structure to RALOs do not add
>> efficiency to budget and local interest either. Just add another group to
>> dispute both.
>>
>> Vanda Scartezini
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>>
>>
>>
>> On 2/15/17, 8:49 AM, "at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf
>> of Winthrop Yu" <at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of
>> w.yu at gmx.net> wrote:
>>
>>        Just some thoughts ...
>>
>>     > Dev:
>>     >     - The motivation for ALSes to market to individuals in their
>> country to
>>     >     join At-Large is not there as organisations would seek to have
>> persons
>>     >     join and assist their organisation first than be involved ICANN
>> At-Large.
>>     >
>>        Not necessarily. Instead at ISOC-PH it's the willing and able
>> *individuals*
>>     who decide which issues to focus on, gather like-minded members and
>> get help
>>     from the chapter/ALS' other members who may not wish to be as deeply
>> or
>>     continuously engaged on a particular issue.
>>
>>        I expect that for each ALS there are Internet issues that are
>> top-of-mind
>>     in-country, for example - i.a. online freedom and net neutrality.
>> Clearly one
>>     problem would be how to raise awareness about ICANN such that ICANN's
>> issues
>>     rise on those local top-of-mind rankings. The challenge here is that
>> ICANN
>>     issues are (understandably) ICANN-centric and often seem far-removed
>> from the
>>     more urgent issues that concern local Netizens. Thus, as we as a
>> chapter/ALS
>>     cannot dictate which issues to focus on, then active individuals will
>> naturally
>>     gravitate towards and engage in those specific issues which seem most
>> important
>>     to them and where they feel they can best contribute.
>>
>>        That being said, it does help when an ICANN rep (like the one who
>> flew in
>>     last year 2016) has a chance to sit down, chat and get to know at
>> least the
>>     chapter/ALS officers. This is certainly appreciated and we hope to
>> see her again
>>     this year. It is hardly helpful if an ICANN rep (like the one who
>> flew-in in
>>     2015 and 2014) immediately flys-out again after delivering his
>> presentation, or
>>     (as in early 2014) when senior ICANN officers fly-in at the behest of
>> in-country
>>     VIPs but without any contact or engagement with the local ALS. This
>> simply
>>     exacerbates the impression that ICANN's concerns are far removed from
>> those of
>>     the ALS and local Netizens.
>>
>>        Thus i would tend to agree with Maureen ...
>>
>>     > Maureen:
>>     > YET... despite the argument I provide above, my personal preference
>> is still
>>     > the current ALS system but working more towards encouraging more
>> individual
>>     > members to become more active within their ALS at a local level, and
>>     > providing evidence of their contribution towards end-user
>> participation into
>>     > At-Large policy discussions.
>>
>>        With the additional proviso that it's not just about getting more
>> members to
>>     become active, but also that ICANN / At-Large issues should be more
>> relevant to
>>     the local context, so that members who are inclined to be active will
>> be
>>     encouraged to engage on those (ICANN) issues.
>>
>>     WYn
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