[At-Large] R: R: R: Is ICANN's oversight really moving away from the US government?

Seun Ojedeji seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
Sun Apr 10 05:27:02 UTC 2016


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On 10 Apr 2016 04:41, "Thomas Lowenhaupt" <toml at communisphere.com> wrote:

> If we look closely into the root governance question, and after due
consideration the At-Large decides that some newfangled treaty organization
should be created, and the recommendation is rejected, or ignored, or even
scoffed at, by the majority, we'll have fulfilled our duty.
>
SO: Recommendation to who? Nevertheless, while I doubt treaty is going to
be on anybody's mind, there is going to be discussion on jurisdiction
during the second please of CCWG on accountability. Since it's an open
fora, I encourage everyone interested on the topic to participate once that
phase commence.

>
Alternately, the At-Large might conclude that it's not an appropriate
approach.
>
SO: but quite a lot of members already said this even on this thread.

> That said, I realize that after the Herculean task of dealing with the
IANA  question there might be reluctance to take on another. Especially one
that seems, at first look, to be quite challenging. But I think we should
give a hard look at the merits and then decide if we should take it on.
Let's not make our decisions based on likelihood of success.
>
SO: In practice I can imagine quite a number of demerit that outweighs the
advantage and makes such cause not worthwhile. It will be a waste of
resources[1] and time to venture into such process. So let's make sure to
look at the demerits and not focus just on merit.

Regards
1. The resources expended on this current process is a lot already (IMO)
and I doubt we would get sponsor for such initiative.
> Best,
>
> Tom Lowenhaupt
>
>
>
>
> On 4/9/2016 5:52 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>>
>> So, as I understand things, we want to convince the governments of the
world to enter into a new treaty where there does not seem to be a huge
amount of current interest. But not a regular treaty, but one in which
governments sign onto it, but cede much of their power to civil society,
academics, the technical community and business. Oh yes, and End Users, a
rather undefined term in their context.
>>
>> I'm really good at putting large efforts into difficult projects,
because there is merit in their success, but this one sounds just a bit
(ok, a lot) too "iffy" for my comfort.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> At 09/04/2016 04:18 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>>>
>>> Olivier,
>>>
>>> I got from Thomas's email that he proposes that we go outside of
current norms and create a multistakeholder treaty model that incorporates
all our stakeholder groups. Of course it doesn't exist now but we are in a
transition phase so perhaps its timely.
>>>
>>> Maureen
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 9, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>
wrote:
>>> Dear Thomas,
>>>
>>> On 09/04/2016 20:51, Thomas Lowenhaupt wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Perhaps I'm missing something, but isn't Parminder's thought
>>> > bottom-up, and in-line with the multi-stakeholder concept? (And I see
>>> > some merit in his concerns about gTLD governance.)
>>>
>>> The Treaty Model which Parminder argues for requires signature from UN
>>> Member States.
>>> http://www.un.org/en/member-states/
>>>
>>> Where is Civil Society?
>>> Where are End Users?
>>> Where are the Technical & Academic Communities?
>>> Where is the Private Sector?
>>>
>>> Kindest regards,
>>>
>>> Olivier
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