[At-Large] R: I: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation - Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to discuss Implementation
carlos dionisio aguirre
carlosaguirre62 at hotmail.com
Mon Dec 14 12:50:23 UTC 2015
@Olivier clap clap clap. I personally fully agree with your comments.
In my case I support the initiative but I agree there are many question made and not made unanswered.I also can see conflictives points between CSI & At Large community. My first negative point was: Why not a translation for the webinar wich try to be for all Civil Society members around the globe? At this moment and having many translations tools is almost discriminatory for who dont speak english. I like the initiative but I think it need time to solve this points in conflict with at large community or at least clarify the proposal, but no in a webinar managed only in english languaje. My two cents from far in the south.
Carlos Dionisio AguirrePart of At Large Community and representative of Academia and Civil Society
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</div><!-- originalMessage --><div>-------- Mensaje original --------</div><div>De: Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com> </div><div>Fecha: 14/12/2015 7:49 (GMT-03:00) </div><div>Para: Glenn McKnight <mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> </div><div>Cc: At-Large Worldwide <at-large at atlarge-lists.icann.org> </div><div>Asunto: Re: [At-Large] R: I: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation - Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to discuss Implementation </div><div>
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Hello all,
as you know, I am a supporter of the Civil Society initiative. But
reading the discussion here, I feel that there are indeed a lot of
unanswered questions and I sense a real concern (even worry!) from many
in At-Large that the initiative has the potential to weaken the At-Large
community by dividing it, especially when it comes to policy issues. We
all know that, as a group that incorporates non commercial, commercial,
technical and academic communities, we often have different points of
view than purely civil society organisations. Indeed, our priorities are
sometimes different.
I sense that in order to address all of the concerns that we have, our
community needs a call with the leaders of this program, Adam Peake and
Jean-Jacques Sahel. The currently proposed call on Wed 16 December is
unsuitable for this concern as these are purely questions related to
At-Large and interpretation will not be provided. (why?)
My questions on any such conference call would be based on the imbalance
caused within our community if the Civil Society Initiative went ahead
without similar initiatives for our commercial, technical & academic
At-Large Structures.
1. Are there going to be similar initiatives for Commercial, Technical &
Academic communities?
(reminder: I was told "yes" a few months ago - I'd like to know where we
are on these)
2. Are At-Large Structures that are not classed as Civil Society going
to be discriminated against? (in CROPP funding, in IGF workshops, etc.)
3. Is the ALAC itself going to be discriminated against as it is not
100% Civil Society?
4. Are any parts of the proposal aiming to have "Civil Society" come to
consensus on policy related matters, irrespective of the current NCSG or
At-Large boundaries?
Kindest regards,
Olivier
On 13/12/2015 23:06, Glenn McKnight wrote:
> Hi All
> The problem with the document starts without a common definition of
> What is Civil Society. I have added a document that addresses that
> issue. I fear that if we lack a proper definition we will see
> ATLARGE being outside the parameters of this measure
> Attached
> Glenn
>
> Glenn McKnight
> mcknight.glenn at gmail.com <mailto:mcknight.glenn at gmail.com>
> skype gmcknight
> twitter gmcknight
> .
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 4:57 PM, Roberto Gaetano
> <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com <mailto:roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Seun,
>
> In EURALO we have occasionally de-certified ALSes that were no
> longer compliant.
>
> I would assume that this would be the case in all RALOs.
>
> There is an issue of credibility of ALAC at stake.
>
> R.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Da:*Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>]
> *Inviato:* domenica 13 dicembre 2015 22:43
> *A:* Roberto Gaetano
> *Cc:* At-Large Worldwide
> *Oggetto:* Re: [At-Large] I: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation -
> Civil Society Engagement Approach: Call to discuss Implementation
>
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2015 22:14, "Roberto Gaetano"
> <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com <mailto:roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> > . Therefore, the ALS, when certified, is guaranteed not to be
> promoting for-profit or government agendas.
> >
> > Can we have this straightened up once and for good?
> >
> SO: +1 the wording of staff sure needs to be corrected. I would
> have thought they are referring to the processes ALS members
> participate in. For instance some ALS members participate in
> regional technical meetings et all. Even if that is the intent, a
> rewording is still required.
>
> > Alternatively, may I know which are the At-Large Structures that
> allegedly “represent business interests”?
> >
> SO: Actually this should be looked into at At-Large level (aside
> this particular subject), there may be need for occasional audit
> to determine if certified ALS status has indeed changed to being
> for-profit as I expect that due diligence is usually done during
> initial application to ensure such is not the case.
>
> Regards
>
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Roberto
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Da: alac-announce-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> <mailto:alac-announce-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> [mailto:alac-announce-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> <mailto:alac-announce-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>] Per conto
> di ICANN At-Large Staff
> > Inviato: venerdì 11 dicembre 2015 15:12
> > A: ALAC Announce
> > Oggetto: [ALAC-Announce] Meeting Invitation - Civil Society
> Engagement Approach: Call to discuss Implementation
> >
> >
> >
> > On behalf of Jean-Jacques Sahel and Adam Peake
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> >
> >
> > Please find below participation details for Civil Society
> Engagement Approach: Call to discuss Implementation on Wednesday
> 16 Dec 2015 at 14:00 UTC
> >
> >
> >
> > This call is for ICANN Staff and the community to start planning
> together joint activities and other deliverables such as new
> content production for the coming months, under the new civil
> society engagement approach.
> >
> >
> >
> > A draft agenda will be circulated for comments shortly.
> >
> >
> >
> > Please remember that you can comment on the draft Civil Society
> engagement strategy by end of Friday 11 December here:
> >
> >
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xC5pxWr4uzkU_Uoi3guGFEFrP9LHYk_KV11mRlBcqWQ/edit?pli=1
> >
> >
> >
> > The revised document will be circulated ahead of the call on
> December 16.
> >
> >
> >
> > This call will be in English only.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Jean-Jacques Sahel & Adam Peake
> >
> >
>
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