[At-Large] [APAC-Discuss] R: RES: R: France Proposes Internet Tax - Old War Resurfacing

[Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro]

On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 9:29 AM, Roberto Gaetano <
roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I am not saying I disagree with Sala, nor that I approve the move from the
> French government.
> I am only saying that the issue has other aspects that we need to consider
> and it is not "just" the re-edition of the tax war.
>

Yes, there are other aspects that need to be considered.

> I take the chance to respond also to Evan, who wrote:
>
> > Given Google's particular business model, this DOES amount to a trade
> tax.
>
> What makes it a tax is Google's "particular" business model.
> What does not allow us to speak generally about a tax, is exactly the word
> "particular" in the statement.
>
> Transfer pricing was mentioned in the French Proposal and I assume that on
products/services that VAT would be apply.

On a similar note, there is an interesting article published on July 2012
called Carriage vs Content by Geoff Huston, see:
http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2012-07/carriagevcontent.html


> So, I think that the question is much wider, and we cannot reduce it to
> slogans like taxation yes or no, it has to do with the balance of cost and
> benefits among different stakeholders.
> Something that is also on the ITU's plate. Which means that we better have
> our principles well debated inside and a clear position stated, in case we
> need to defend it in other fora.
>
> Cheers,
> Roberto
>
>
>
>
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> Resurfacing
>
> Robert, indeed deserves debate, but I also agree with SALA,  that whatever
> the proposal contains,  the taxation word really raises the old war.
> Unhappily we are seeing more and more an insatiable appetite for money!!!!
>
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> [mailto:at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Em nome de Roberto
> Gaetano
> Enviada em: terça-feira, 22 de janeiro de 2013 15:55
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>
> Sala,
> Although I agree with you that this French proposal can reopen the "old
> war"
> of internet taxation, it should be pointed out that the proposed tax is not
> on commercial transactions, i.e. it is not a trade tax, but a "fee" for
> collecting personal information.
> So, besides the financial implication there are other subjects that this
> proposal raises. Maybe that warrants also a discussion.
> Cheers,
> R.
>
>
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
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> T.
> Tamanikaiwaimaro
> Inviato: lunedì 21 gennaio 2013 21:23
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> Oggetto: [At-Large] France Proposes Internet Tax - Old War Resurfacing
>
> Dear All,
>
> You would have read in the New York Times about France proposing Internet
> Tax - I have blogged about this here:
>
>
> http://www.circleid.com/posts/20130121_france_proposes_internet_tax_an_old_w
> ar_resurfacing/
>
> Kind Regards,
>
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