[At-Large] R: Board solicitation of input on how it should receive input and advice

Wed Oct 3 13:46:45 UTC 2012

Dear Roberto,

adding to Cheryl's note, I also refer you to the At-Large Improvements
Final Report, specifically section 13.3:
"Processes between SOs, ACs and the Board need to be developed/
strengthened to provide feedback on how the ALAC’s advice has been
considered and used."

This was marked as Superceded & with a Watching Brief and points to
recommendation 7 of the Final Recommendations of the ATRT. To re-open
the discussion at square 1, that is, "how should the Board receive input
and advice outside the public comment process", is indeed not a
particularly efficient way of addressing the problem when many of the
answers to recommendation 6 are probably found in recommendation 7 of
that same ATRT document.

Our Improvements final report submitted to the SIC is probably a good
document to point at.
http://www.atlarge.icann.org/correspondence/correspondence-14jun12-en.htm

Alan being the pen-holder, I hope we will not be tasked with spending
too much time on this. I would recommend that our Statement points to
all of the aforementioned documents to minimise our work in this process.

Kind regards,

Olivier

On 03/10/2012 13:50, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote:
> Roberto  what you propose 're the requirements for Board explanations
> around decisions taken in a way that shows how community input was
> considered and for more effective and timely  feedback is in keeping with
> what the ATRT  heard was desired by the Community and with what we
> recommended... so I see this as an opportunity to build on that and indeed
> try to give such change  its proper momentum...
>
> On Oct 3, 2012 9:39 PM, "Roberto Gaetano" <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I agree with Evan's analysis but disagree on the conclusions.
>> I will submit a personal comment - will work on it over the weekend.
>> The concept that I would like to express is that the problem is not so
> much
>> the way the input is collected, but what happens afterwards. Namely, for
>> each given community statement there should be a thorough explanation on
> why
>> the Board has disregarded it, if this is the case (as it often is).
>> Let's be clear: there might be very good reasons for the Board not taking
>> into account community input, and I personally remember discussions when I
>> was on the Board on how to include community input in decisions. However,
> as
>> an individual community member who has no access to complete records of
>> Board discussions, I find the feedback from the Board not thorough enough
> to
>> make me confident that all Directors have even read the comments before
>> deliberating.
>> I think we should not waste the opportunity to put some comments on
> record,
>> even if I agree that we have bigger fish to fry at this point in time.
>> Cheers,
>> R.
>>
>>
>> -----Messaggio originale-----
>> Da: at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> [mailto:at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Evan
>> Leibovitch
>> Inviato: mercoledì 3 ottobre 2012 09:25
>> A: At-Large Worldwide
>> Oggetto: Re: [At-Large] Board solicitation of input on how it should
> receive
>> input and advice
>>
>> On 2 October 2012 23:40, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> I call your attention to a recently opened Public Comment in which the
>>> ICANN Board solicits input on how it should receive input and advice
>>> in making its decisions.
>>>
>>
>> *Dear sirs,*
>>
>> *Thoroughly and transparently.*
>>
>> *Sincerely,*
>> *The ALAC*
>>
>>
>>
>>> I have been asked by Olivier to lead the development of an ALAC
>>> contribution, supported by Cheryl.
>>>
>> I add this to the never-ending pile of diversionary ICANN procedural time
>> wasters, especially in regard to ALAC advice.
>>
>> Our methods for providing advice are fine, and for us to refine
> internally.
>> The Board's methods for considering that advice stink; however they are
> not
>> within the scope of this soliticitation. They don't even know the right
>> question to ask; instead all we have, really, is a public comment process
> to
>> talk about public comment processes, the height of absurdity. As such, the
>> reply I've suggested above should be more than sufficient.
>>
>> The boundless capacity of the Board to waste its community volunteers'
> time
>> is truly something to behold.
>>
>> - Evan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> The public comment description can be found at
>>>
>>> http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/input-advice-function-24se
>>> p12-en.htm
>>> .
>>>
>>>
>>> Input should preferably be made to the At-Large Wiki at
>>> https://community.icann.org/x/K5AoAg. If anyone cannot cannot access
>>> the Wiki to submit comments, please submit your comments to this list
>>> WITH AN EXPLICIT REQUEST TO POST TO THE WIKI at the start of the
> message.
>>> The comment period ends shortly after the ICANN meeting. I normally
>>> have abundant time to work on such statement en route to ICANN
>>> meetings, but in this case my flight time is under an hour, so my
>>> work-methods must change. PLEASE your thoughts by the end of the day
>>> (wherever you are) next Tuesday, October 9th. Hopefully draft will be
>>> prepared for discussion and then decision during the ICANN week.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> At-Large mailing list
>>> At-Large at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
>>>
>>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Evan Leibovitch
>> Toronto Canada
>>
>> Em: evan at telly dot org
>> Sk: evanleibovitch
>> Tw: el56
>> _______________________________________________
>> At-Large mailing list
>> At-Large at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
>>
>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> At-Large mailing list
>> At-Large at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
>>
>> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
> _______________________________________________
> At-Large mailing list
> At-Large at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/at-large
>
> At-Large Official Site: http://atlarge.icann.org
>

-- 
Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD
http://www.gih.com/ocl.html