[At-Large] R: [ALAC] ICANN Launches Accountability Structures Expert Panel, Seeks Community Input

Wed Sep 19 05:08:21 UTC 2012

In the early days I asked about diversity in the ICANN policy staff.  I got
the distinct impression that it was interpreted to mean I was proposing an
affirmative action ala the preferred meaning as espoused by neocon American
politicians.

- Carlton

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On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:32 PM, Roberto Gaetano <
roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with Alx about the need to have external auditors, but also with
> the points raised by jjs.
> If there is a formal ALAC document I would concentrate on the lack of
> diversity.
> It reminds me of a case in the recent past where I have been asked to
> choose among three candidates, shortlisted via an international call for
> candidates, who were from the West Coast, East Coast, and South. Of course,
> US West Coast, US East Coast, and Southern US.
> Cheers,
> R.
>
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:
> at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] Per conto di Evan Leibovitch
> Inviato: martedì 18 settembre 2012 23:41
> A: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
> Cc: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch; ALAC Working List; At-Large Worldwide
> Oggetto: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] ICANN Launches Accountability Structures
> Expert Panel, Seeks Community Input
>
> Hi,
>
> I did not see the original message from Alexandro until it was quoted here
> by Sala.
>
> Both your replies are very reasonable and well stated. The issue of
> capture is especially important. Consider my mind changed on the issue.
>
> - Evan
>
>
> On 18 September 2012 14:55, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Evan.
> >
> > You are correct about the level of skills, talents that are already
> > within ICANN itself. However for the purposes of having a review, kind
> > of like an "auditing", there is always the option to conduct "internal
> > audits" and "ex internal audits".
> >
> > Whilst having a review done "Inhouse" has its uses, for a body that
> > facilitates objectives pertaining to the key internet policy spaces
> > where the world is the "beneficiary", it follows that there is a need
> > for a review to be carried out "externally".
> >
> > The Accountability and Structure Review process is a critical aspect
> > of evaluating and assessing ICANN's operations so that much like
> > having a mirror, it can work towards constant improvements, development
> and growth.
> > If the pool of Experts conducting the review were sourced from inside,
> > there is a far greater likelihood that due to "friendships, networks,
> > shared interests etc" that the Report could be "biased". In a global
> > policy environment, structures, processes have far greater legal,
> > equitable, socio-cultural, economic, political impact on the quality
> > of policies that are produced.
> >
> > This no doubt includes substantive technical input, enabling
> > mechanisms to continually allow for diversity into the policy spaces
> > etc. The Affirmation of Commitments and Bylaws recognise this.
> >
> > The issue is not about ICANN trusting its community because it already
> > does through the enormous work in various Supporting organisations,
> > advisory committees, working groups, task forces, cross constituency
> > groups etc. The integrity of the evaluation lies in the ability to
> > minimise risks of apprehension of bias, reasonable bias, bias etc.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Sala
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 19, 2012 at 5:55 AM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <
> > apisan at unam.mx> wrote:
> >
> > > Evan,
> > >
> > > I'll take the daring step of disagreeing with you. Calling on
> > > external experts for the Accountability Structures panel is
> > > consistent with an institutional design that moves away from the
> > > potential for capture, shop blindness, inbreeding, and other ills
> > > that can arise from the lack of independent analysis. Since the 2003
> > > reform we started to make sure opportunities for reasonable
> > > challenge and redress of decisions be part
> > of
> > > the design, while avoiding in turn the capture of those processes by
> > > the politics of delay and by parties which are not committed to the
> > > result
> > yet
> > > may slow it eternally or distort it seriously.
> > >
> > > At the same time I will state that I am unhappy, as others have
> > > already stated, with the specific integration of the panel. Yet we
> > > have ourselves to blame as much as any other if this integration is
> > > the result of some horse-trading. If it is the case, it shows that
> > > we have not been able to get rid of *that* scourge fast enough.
> > >
> > > Alejandro Pisanty
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > ________________________________________
> > > Desde: at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [
> > > at-large-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] en nombre de Evan
> > > Leibovitch [ evan at telly.org] Enviado el: martes, 18 de septiembre de
> > > 2012 12:09
> > > Hasta: Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro
> > > CC: JJS; ALAC Working List; At-Large Worldwide
> > > Asunto: Re: [At-Large] [ALAC] ICANN Launches Accountability
> > > Structures Expert Panel, Seeks Community Input
> > >
> > > Personally, I am amazed that ICANN feels the need to go "external"
> > > when
> > it
> > > has such a massive pool of diverse, experienced expertise within its
> > > community.
> > >
> > > Historically, the use by ICANN of outside "expertise" has appeared
> > > to me
> > to
> > > be an indication that the organization does not trust its own
> > > community perform such an evaluation. It's more evidence that ICANN
> > > as a body fears its volunteers rather than exploits their
> > > perspectives. I am much more in favour of having outside resources
> > > available to a community review, than
> > to
> > > put leadership of this effort in the hands of people without diverse
> > > backgrounds or experience in ICANN culture.
> > >
> > > - Evan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 18 September 2012 05:40, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
> > > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thanks Jean-Jacques,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your email and analysis. I fully agree with the
> > > > wisdom of your counsel and the analysis, rationale behind the call
> > > > for the ALAC
> > to
> > > > make a Statement in this regard.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > Sala
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:31 PM, JJS <jjs.global at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > *Alan, Salanieta, All,*
> > > > > *
> > > > > *
> > > > > *sorry, you received 2 emails from me on the same subject. The
> > > > > first
> > > one,
> > > > > incomplete, was sent by mistake, so please read the second.*
> > > > > *
> > > > > *
> > > > > *Jean-Jacques.
> > > > > *
> > > > > 2012/9/18 Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <
> > > > > salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 9:00 PM, JJS <jjs.global at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> *Hello Alan,*
> > > > >>> *
> > > > >>> *
> > > > >>> *thank you for forwarding this information. Prior to making
> > > > >>> any individual comment on an open ICANN online space, I wish
> > > > >>> to submit that:*
> > > > >>> *- this issue may deserve an ALAC reaction as such,*
> > > > >>> *- at the very least, the ALAC should underline that*
> > > > >>> *    - the panel lacks gender and cultural diversity (3 White
> > males,
> > > > even
> > > > >>> if one of them hails from South Africa)*
> > > > >>> *    - all 3 come from the same mold (common law, corporate
> > affairs,
> > > > >>> English)*
> > > > >>> *    - our observations are not aimed at the individuals, or
> their
> > > > >>> personal
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> value, but at principles enshrined in the By-laws, recommended
> > > > >>> in
> > the
> > > > >>> "Improving Institutional Confidence" document of the (now
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> I agree!
> > > > >>
> > > > >>>  *
> > > > >>> 2012/9/14 Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > <
> > > > >>>
> > > http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-11sep12-en.h
> > > tm
> > > > >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-11sep12-en
> > > > .htm
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > ICANN Launches Accountability Structures Expert Panel, Seeks
> > > > Community
> > > > >>> > Input
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > 11 September 2012
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > In fulfillment of ATRT Recommendations 23 and 25, calling
> > > > >>> > for a review of ICANN's Accountability Structures, ICANN has
> > > > >>> > identified
> > > an
> > > > >>> > international panel of experts to serve on the
> > > > >>> > Accountability Structures Expert Panel (ASEP). Biographies
> > > > >>> > of the experts are available at
> > > > >>> > <http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep>
> > > > >>> > http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > The ASEP is interested in hearing from the ICANN community
> > > regarding
> > > > >>> > your thoughts on ICANN's accountability structures,
> > > > >>> > particularly
> > > the
> > > > >>> > Reconsideration process and the Independent Review process,
> > > > >>> > and whether they can or should be modified. Your comments
> > > > >>> > and inputs
> > > can
> > > > >>> > be submitted to <mailto:ASEP at ICANN.org>ASEP at ICANN.org and
> > comments
> > > > >>> > can be viewed at
> > > > >>> > <http://forum.icann.org/lists/asep/>
> > > > http://forum.icann.org/lists/asep/
> > > > >>> .
> > > > >>> > Please provide your input by 1 October 2012.
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > The ASEP will be posting updates regarding its work, with a
> > > detailed
> > > > >>> > project plan expected by mid-September. All information
> > > > >>> > regarding
> > > the
> > > > >>> > ASEP will be accessible from the ASEP page at
> > > > >>> > <http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep>
> > > > >>> > http://www.icann.org/en/news/in-focus/accountability/asep.
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> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> --
> > > > >> Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala P.O. Box 17862 Suva Fiji
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Twitter: @SalanietaT
> > > > >> Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Salanieta Tamanikaiwaimaro aka Sala
> > > > P.O. Box 17862
> > > > Suva
> > > > Fiji
> > > >
> > > > Twitter: @SalanietaT
> > > > Skype:Salanieta.Tamanikaiwaimaro
> > > > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Evan Leibovitch
> > > Toronto Canada
> > >
> > > Em: evan at telly dot org
> > > Sk: evanleibovitch
> > > Tw: el56
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> > Suva
> > Fiji
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> > Fiji Cell: +679 998 2851
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