[At-Large] [GTLD-WG] Amazon, Google And Others Going After Generics

Mon Jun 18 15:36:07 UTC 2012

I agree. But I would like to consider -- even before meeting -- what
possible outcomes would be.

A joint statement merely deploring the situation would have little value in
actually affecting anything. I'd like to focus on how to effect change
going forward.

- Evan

On 18 June 2012 11:21, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com> wrote:

> The ALAC has been mulling over a few tidbits, one or so of which could be
> used to amplify this.
>
> I'm for further exploration towards maybe joint action.
>
> - Carlton
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> On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 12:12 AM, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch
> >wrote:
>
> > Insofar as this frustration is shared by ALAC and NCSG and probably both
> > would like to see the questions posed clearly and responded to in Prague,
> > perhaps it'd be useful to discuss this at our Monday meeting with an eye
> > toward some joint action?
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Jun 17, 2012, at 7:51 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> >
> > > I'd go for some combination of the first 3 reasons.
> > >
> > > avri
> > >
> > >
> > > Evan Leibovitch <evanleibovitch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> The results indicate one or more of a couple of causes, depending on
> > >> perspective:
> > >>
> > >> - The ICANN publicity campaign for applicant support was so utterly
> > >> pathetic, that only people already close to the process understood
> > >> enough
> > >> to take advantage of the opportunity;
> > >>
> > >> - It's official; ICANN is a rich world organization serving rich world
> > >> players, and only plays lip service to a global scope. The applicant
> > >> support program made for good optics, but ICANN had no interest in its
> > >> actually working. That a handful of insiders were able to exploit,
> > >> enables
> > >> those inside the bubble to still pretend that ICANN has worldwide
> > >> sensibilities.
> > >>
> > >> - Any claim that the bottom up process works, our that the public
> > >> interest
> > >> had a voice in ICANN, was definitively put to rest. This program was
> > >> asserted on an unwilling Board, staff and industry by the public
> > >> interest
> > >> community, the first ever major policy initiative of this kind. So
> > >> naturally, it never stood a chance.
> > >>
> > >> - There truly is no demand for gTLDs outside the ICANN bubble of
> > >> speculators and name-protectors, along with a handful of internet
> > >> infrastructure providers. Only insiders are deluded enough to perceive
> > >> that
> > >> ANY money given to ICANN is money well spent on improving access or
> > >> development. Community organizers - especially the ones targeted for
> > >> applicant support - would rather spend their limited funds locally.
> IOW
> > >> ...  in the real world outside ICANN, gTLDs -- even subsidized -- are
> > >> unnecessary vanity items that do not benefit providers or consumers of
> > >> internet content and services.
> > >>
> > >> The first explanation indicates incompetent execution of ICANN's
> > >> mandate.
> > >> The second indicates an intolerable bias in interpreting the mandate.
> > >> The
> > >> third suggests a horrible breakdown in the governance of the mandate.
> > >> And
> > >> the fourth suggests that the mandate itself is fundamentally flawed.
> > >>
> > >> Take your pick. They're not mutually exclusive.
> > >> On Jun 16, 2012 10:46 PM, "Alan Greenberg" <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The three support applications are particularly disappointing in
> > >>> light of all three being from long-time ICANN participants.
> > >>>
> > >>> Alan
> > >>>
> > >>> At 16/06/2012 01:15 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Hi,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Indeed, the outreach plan was a failure in so many respects, and
> > >>>> people have been complaining about it for a while to no avail, even
> > >>>> while there was still a chance to fix it. And we see the results: 17
> > >>>> applications from Africa and 3 applicant support applications.  And
> > >>>> while I was hopping that 10 - 20 of the applications would be from
> > >>>> ASP applicants, I meant of the global total, not of the African
> > >> total.
> > >>>
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