[At-Large] [WHOIS-WG] Fwd: WHOIS Policy Review Team Final Report

[Avri Doria]

Hi,

Actually without SOIs from all ALAC and RALO leaders we have no idea who may our may not have commercial or other interest.  Also since a commercial entity can become an ALS, it is difficult to make a sweeping statement that there are no underlying commercial interests.

I fear that perhaps thou doth protest too much.  I always worry when I see such an indignant response to a question about hidden motives. 

avri


Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:

>On 15 May 2012 00:38, Patrick Vande Walle <patrick at vande-walle.eu>
>wrote:
>
>
>> Historically, going back to the interim ALAC, this group had a strong
>> pro-privacy stance.
>>
>
>
>Oh, you mean the all-appointed, no-ALS-or-RALO ALAC? That's telling.
>
>
>
>>   I noticed over the last 2 or 3 years that the statements evolved in
>the
>> opposite direction, possibly under the influence of some who have a
>> business interest in an open-to-anyone WHOIS.
>>
>
>
>Please offer evidence of ANY such business interests within At-Large
>and
>especially ALAC. Such baseless, gossip-level accusations are demeaning
>to
>the debate. Indeed I would suggest the opposite, that it is the influx
>of
>non-insider involvement in ALAC, thanks to the ALS-RALO structure, that
>has
>led to the shift in position. It is my perspective that the most
>assertive
>proponents for WHOIS accountability within At-Large are amongst its
>least
>conflicted.
>
>
>Historically, the ALAC cared for all individuals, even those
>registering
>> domain names. Now, the latter are told to move on to NCUC.
>>
>
>
>To use the same terminology, there is nobody "caring" for the interests
>of
>non-registrant end users except At-Large; registrants have other,
>more-direct channels into ICANN policy development. And it has only
>been
>recently that anyone here has acknowledged the reality that registrants
>and
>end users have different, sometimes competing interests. WHOIS accuracy
>and
>reliability is one of those realms in which the interests diverge
>significantly.
>
> In fact, look close enough and you'd find some movement in this final
>> report to the ALAC's pronounced view.
>>
>>
>> Indeed. At long last,  the need for some privacy system is
>acknowledged,
>> even  going as suggesting to regulate privacy providers.
>>
>
>
>Exactly. ALAC has never been anti-privacy. But privacy and anonymity
>are
>not synonymous, and the provision of privacy is not properly delivered
>by
>obfuscating WHOIS information.
>
>-- 
>Evan Leibovitch
>Toronto Canada
>
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