[At-Large] [ALAC-Internal] GNSO Council Motion on Cross-Community Working Groups

Fri Jan 20 23:07:21 UTC 2012

Bill,

If you send us a Word Version, alternatively I can paste into a word
document, we can add tracked changes and edits for discussion in San Jose.

Best Regards,
Sala

On Sat, Jan 21, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>wrote:

> Thanks Bill, and thanks for reminding us of the wording of the motion.
> It is indeed a starting position and there will be plenty of time to
> discuss it across ICANN. Great job in suggesting F2F.
> Warmest regards,
>
> Olivier
>
> On 20/01/2012 14:56, William Drake wrote :
> > Hi
> >
> > On the Council call yesterday I asked that discussion of this topic be
> held back to San Jose so we could have it face to face.  I believe that
> will happen on the Saturday.  Since Council meetings are open, I would
> encourage any ALACers who are interested and available to come along and
> share your perspectives with the Council so these can be taken into
> consideration before we vote on a motion Wednesday.
> >
> > Again, on the unilateral imposition meme that seems to be developing,
> please do bear in mind that what is proposed here is that the Council adopt
> a negotiation position, not that this would be the end of the story.  The
> motion states, inter alia,
> >
> > Resolved, that the GNSO Council hereby approves the Draft Principles for
> Cross-Community Working Groups for its own guidance and requests staff to
> disseminate them to the Chairs of the Supporting Organizations and Advisory
> Committees asking them to provide input to the GNSO Council in 60 days on
> both the principles themselves and the route forward for community-wide
> adoption or development of a related set of principles for the operation of
> Cross-Community Working Groups
> >
> > So I invite you to provide input at the front end, and later on as well,
> with an eye toward devising something that everyone is comfortable with.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Bill
> >
> > On Jan 19, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Christopher Wilkinson wrote:
> >
> >> Hmmm . . .  I find it rather strange that one SO would issue,
> >> unilaterally, draft "Principles for CWGs". That should be a matter for
> >> the Board if it is controversial, or for Legal Counsel if it is not.
> >>
> >> Also, if the results of a CWG have to go back into a PDP, and also
> >> have to be endorsed by the "chartering" SOs/ACs, then I do wonder what
> >> is the point of the exercise.
> >>
> >> Finally, the last clause of these draft principles notwithstanding,
> >> certain issues are rather urgent. The proposed resolutions do not
> >> really reflect that fact.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> CW
> >>
> >>
> >> On 19 Jan 2012, at 16:40, Carlton Samuels wrote:
> >>
> >>> First, thank you Bill for taking the time to bring this to the At-
> >>> Large's
> >>> attention.
> >>>
> >>> Second, I read the guidelines as an attempt to lay out 'aspirational'
> >>> principles, some of which tend to be overbearing.
> >>>
> >>> Third, on principle, the ALAC must reject any framework espoused by
> >>> this
> >>> proposal that undermines our by-law mandated role.  In this context
> >>> any
> >>> notion of agreeing to rules that a) limit our ability to communicate
> >>> up,
> >>> down, sideways or backwards b) constrain or hobble our ability to
> >>> explore,
> >>> act or otherwise engage any party or constituency in furtherance of
> >>> the
> >>> public interest must be summarily rejected.
> >>>
> >>> Fourth, if the presumptive At-Large position varies widely from the
> >>> GNSO
> >>> then the utility of a CWG is severely limited so we should recognize
> >>> such
> >>> an eventuality and act accordingly.
> >>>
> >>> So on balance of the facts as I know them and while I'm all for
> >>> collaborating, when it is clear this is the wrong way to go then
> >>> let's just
> >>> carry on and recognize there will be no marriage of convenience.
> >>>
> >>> - Carlton
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Fourth
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ==============================
> >>> Carlton A Samuels
> >>> Mobile: 876-818-1799
> >>> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
> >>> =============================
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 3:23 PM, William Drake
> >>> <william.drake at uzh.ch> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi,
> >>>>
> >>>> As NCUC liaison to At Large I thought I should bring the following
> >>>> to your
> >>>> attention.
> >>>>
> >>>> Some here may recall that there was quite a bit of controversy and
> >>>> debate
> >>>> in the GNSO Council last year about the formation and operation of
> >>>> cross
> >>>> community working groups.  This arose in particular with regard to
> >>>> the JAS
> >>>> process, various aspects of which stimulated a range of concerns
> >>>> across the
> >>>> three industry SGs.  Without reliving all the back and forth, these
> >>>> included perceptions that the GNSO's role in policy development was
> >>>> being
> >>>> usurped or at least nibbled at, concerns about the channels and
> >>>> procedures
> >>>> through which JAS progress was reported out and the board
> >>>> responded, the
> >>>> extent to which the chartering organizations should operate in
> >>>> synch, and
> >>>> so on. In consequence, there has been a widespread desire among
> >>>> these SGs
> >>>> to lay down clear rules of the road to regulate how CWGs
> >>>> function.   In
> >>>> Council discussions NCUC members argued for maintaining some
> >>>> flexibility
> >>>> and subsidiarity to avoid tying hands too much, and noted inter
> >>>> alia that
> >>>> if we'd followed a strictly regula!
> >>>> tory approach ALAC would not have been able to help move the JAS
> >>>> process
> >>>> along when the GNSO was, well, moving slower.  It would be fair to
> >>>> say that
> >>>> we were pretty much alone in these views.
> >>>>
> >>>> In October, the Council launched a drafting team to propose guiding
> >>>> principles for CWGs going forward that would respond to the various
> >>>> concerns.  That team has now completed its work and a motion to
> >>>> approve its
> >>>> Principles is on the agenda of our 19 January meeting.
> >>>>
> https://community.icann.org/display/gnsocouncilmeetings/Motions+19+January+2012
> >>>>
> >>>> People may wish to have a look at the Principles
> >>>> http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/draft-principles-for-cwgs-23dec11-
> >>>> en.pdf,
> >>>> which specify that all SO/ACs involved should adopt and follow a
> >>>> single
> >>>> joint charter for CWGs, that CWGs outputs do not express community
> >>>> consensus per se, and so on.
> >>>>
> >>>> If there are any views that people would like to have noted in the
> >>>> Council
> >>>> discussion and vote, please let me know asap.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Bill
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ***************************************************
> >>>> William J. Drake
> >>>> International Fellow & Lecturer
> >>>> Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
> >>>> University of Zurich, Switzerland
> >>>> william.drake at uzh.ch
> >>>> www.mediachange.ch/people/william-j-drake
> >>>> www.williamdrake.org
> >>>> ****************************************************
> >>>>
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> Olivier MJ Crépin-Leblond, PhD
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