<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Maureen ,<br><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Thanks for your reply .<br><br><span style="color:rgb(116,27,71)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Yes, We can invite any individual member for any event </span></span><span style="color:rgb(116,27,71)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">who actually can contribute about the important</span></span><span style="color:rgb(116,27,71)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(116,27,71)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"> ICANN issues and</span></span> but when question comes for legal communication and representation of organization ALS </span></span><span style="color:rgb(116,27,71)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(116,27,71)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">then it should be go through ALS organizational policy like bylaw. <br></span></span></span></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><i>Regards / Jahangir</i><span><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><span style="line-height:115%"></span></span></span></font></span></span><p style="text-align:justify"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><span style="line-height:115%"></span></span></span></font></span></p><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span></font></span><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102)"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span></font></span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102)"></span></div><span><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102)"></span></span><div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 7:40 PM, Maureen Hilyard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank">maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I understand what you are saying, Jahangir. An ALS's bylaws about their leadership structure is a valid point but it is separate from the At-Large participation issue..<div><br></div><div>ICANN is obliged to accept the names of the first and second contact of the ALS as they are given to us when an ALS is registered because that is our (ALAC's) current policy. But if these designated personnel do not actively participate then the ALS can be deregistered. But what if there are other individual members of the ALS who do participate - but they are NOT the contacts. Our registration procedures do not actually stipulate what should happen.<br></div><div><br></div><div>However, what the ALAC has been talking about is that when it comes to inviting people to events, like the ATLASIII in 2019 (or whenever), we are considering the use of metrics, so that only those individuals who are already actively engaged, will be invited even if they are not the designated first and second contacts that were assigned by the ALS management, and who, in some ALS cases, never turned up to any meetings. </div><div><br></div><div>The ATLAS will discuss policy, so we would like to have people participating in the discussions who actually know about the important ICANN issues and can contribute.</div></div><div class="gmail-HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 2:12 AM, Jahangir Hossain <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jrjahangir@gmail.com" target="_blank">jrjahangir@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi Maureen ,<br><br></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I have bellow comment about the below point ;<br><br></div><span><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><div><span style="color:rgb(166,77,121)">So maybe, once an ALS is registered, then we simply deal with those
members who are interested and active whom we will be able to identify
via our metrics and establish as the first and second contacts for any
communications. . <br><br></span></div></div></span><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Comments : Every ALS have own bylaw to run the organization . </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Members of ALS select their EC/ Board members </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">by following their bylaw </span></span>who are the valid key contact person for any communication . So if you proposed to select first and second contacts from interested person via metrics for any
communications, this should not be represented the organization ALS . This is because this selected person might not be elected from the ALS by following their bylaw. So if we consider to represent the organization ALS then we should respect the ALS's bylaw for this issue . <br></span></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail-m_8323411513030386965m_-2104727440256648936gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><i>Regards / Jahangir</i><span><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><span style="line-height:115%"></span></span></span></font></span></span><p style="text-align:justify"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><span><span style="line-height:115%"></span></span></span></font></span></p><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span></font></span><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102)"><span style="color:rgb(68,68,68)"><font size="2"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif"></span></font></span></span></div><div><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102)"></span></div><span><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102)"></span></span><div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Nadira Alaraj <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com" target="_blank">nadira.araj@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Hi Satish,</div><div dir="auto">Regarding to point 4.</div><span class="gmail-m_8323411513030386965m_-2104727440256648936gmail-"><div dir="auto">"<span style="font-family:sans-serif">4. The current rules on not admitting existing ALS members as individual members to APRALO is based on the potential to weaken ALSes. It's perhaps time that these rules are reviewed at both ALAC and RALO levels...however, this is not a decision to be taken lightly."</span></div><div dir="auto"><br></div></span><div dir="auto">Many of the ALSes are run by a leadership team who may have no activities to engage their ordinary members. </div><div dir="auto">Here I come back to the discussion point on what is the criteria of making sure that a certified ALS is an active ALS as they are expected to perform certain activities related to ICANN that comply to RALO requirements in engaging both their own community and their wider community? If the said ALS don't do that then a potential good members of such ALS will be of disadvantage. Then if this potential member applied to be as individual member in APRALO if they already active in ICANN WGs, are RALOs ready to accept their application? </div><div dir="auto">This leads to the importance of documentation by ALS activities on regular or even annual basis on their wiki space as part of basic requirements to ALS. Not satisfying this basic requirement hints to their lack of seriousness.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Best,</div><div dir="auto">Nadira </div><div><div class="gmail-m_8323411513030386965m_-2104727440256648936gmail-h5"><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><div class="gmail_extra" dir="auto"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 3, 2017 08:56, "Satish Babu" <<a href="mailto:sb@inapp.com" target="_blank">sb@inapp.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail-m_8323411513030386965m_-2104727440256648936gmail-m_-5022774305319323300quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div>There are several considerations that we have to be mindful of, <i>vis-a-vis</i> individual members, particularly after the recent At-Large Review:<br><br></div>1. RALOs should encourage individual members to participate in policy processes in RALOs and At-Large. <br><br>2. For this, we need to ensure that individuals have low entry barriers (ie., a light-weight admission process) compared to ALSes<br><br></div>3. The current admission process for individual members ("Trust" and not "Trust-but-verify") is based on keeping entry barriers low, but also because we often have no other means of verification<br><br></div>4. The current rules on not admitting existing ALS members as individual members to APRALO is based on the potential to weaken ALSes. It's perhaps time that these rules are reviewed at both ALAC and RALO levels...however, this is not a decision to be taken lightly.<br><br></div>We are in the early phase of inducting individual members. We have to learn as we go and fine-tune our rules.<font color="#888888"><br><br><br></font></div><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div><br><br></div>satish<br><br><div><div><br><br></div></div></font></div><div class="gmail-m_8323411513030386965m_-2104727440256648936gmail-m_-5022774305319323300elided-text"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Alan Greenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>
All good questions. <br><br>
I can even add another. Is there any harm in a person becoming an
individual member who is a member of an ALS, but is not active in that
ALS's activities with respect to being an ALS. That situation could have
applied to me - I was an individual member, but was also historically a
member of an ISOC Chapter, but only because I had ticked off a box on a
web form, not because I was active in it in any way. Would there have
been any harm in my continuing to be a "member" of that
ALS?<br><br>
Ultimately, these are issues that either all RALOs must address, or
perhaps we will come up with a uniform cross-RALO criteria. An important
thing to keep in mind is that the overall target is to get people active
in ICANN processes.<br><br>
Alan<span><br><br>
At 03/12/2017 01:30 AM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:<br>
</span><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail-m_8323411513030386965m_-2104727440256648936gmail-m_-5022774305319323300m_-7075064430500973761m_6087398056805970959cite"><span>But should we get individual
members to sign a piece of paper that says that they officially do not
belong to an ALS? <br><br>
This discussion is important as APRALO seeks to confirm acceptable
criteria for registration of our ALSes (and any individual members who
belong to it and want to join in our discussions), as well as those who
are individual members not affiliated to any organisation. <br><br>
I like the example of our the Abu Dhabi representative of our individual
members - due to her own personal interest in the work of ICANN, Justine
was already an active member of a couple of working groups before she
became a formal individual member of APRALO. She was a known entity and
we have welcomed her participation in our discussions as a regional
participant in the same way as we accept the inputs of the individual
members who represent the interests of their ALSes. In past
discussions, APRALO raised the point that individual members should
already be actively engaged before we register them. There has been poor
commitment by some of the individual members we currently have on our
list How do we deregister them?<br><br>
I can appreciate that sometimes people may not be able to participate in
an organisation that meets face to face normally at a time and place that
is not convenient for everyone... and this was the reason we encouraged
individual members. But leaving an ALS to become an individual member
does not make sense to me. <br><br>
M <br>
. <br><br>
On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Alan Greenberg
<<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>
> wrote:<br>
</span><dl>
<dd><span>One has to put these things in perspective and to examine the effort
involved vs the benefits and risks.<br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span>Looking at an unrelated issue, ICANN directors are subject to strict
conflict of interest rules because it is important that they not have a
personal interest when making decisions on behalf of ICANN. But all we
ask is that they sign a piece of paper affirming what their conflicts are
(if any) and assuring that should one arise, they will act properly.
<br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span>In the case of individual members, one has to look at the risks of
accepting people's word, the harm it would cause, and now much it would
cost/difficulty to investigate further vs the benefits.<br><br>
</span></dd><dd>Alan<br><br>
<br><br>
<br>
</dd><dd><span>At 02/12/2017 07:10 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:<br><br>
</span><blockquote type="cite" class="gmail-m_8323411513030386965m_-2104727440256648936gmail-m_-5022774305319323300m_-7075064430500973761m_6087398056805970959cite">
<dd><span>Sorry that was sent too early, accidentally This is really opening up
a can of worms. have to take people's word on TRUST.<br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span>It has already been intimated that we might need to get the
membership lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are
legitimately NOT members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the
members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India.<br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span>Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own
behalf rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single
person compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do
outreach so that they can fulfil the other ICANN expectations of
ALses?<br>
</span></dd><dd>ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed about
the significant news from ICANN<br>
</dd><dd>ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual
Internet users<br>
</dd><dd>ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda,
news about ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN
policy-development process<br>
</dd><dd>ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education
programs, regarding ICANN and its work<br>
</dd><dd>ØMaking public, and analyzing, ICANN's proposed policies and its
decisions and their (potential)regional impact and (potential) effect on
individuals in the region; <br>
</dd><dd><span>I started to make mention of the fact that we could have to ask
people who have disagreements with their ALS managements and leave, that
they may have to bring along a letter saying that they are no longer
members. But what a hassle.<br>
</span></dd><dd><span>But it is one of the thngs that I would like to discuss with an
volunteers of a group of APRALO members to discuss ALS criteria,
expectations and metrics.<br>
</span></dd><dd><span>Anyone want to join, drop me a line, and I will get staff to create a
wiki space for us.<br>
</span></dd><dd>Maureen<br><br>
</dd><dd><span>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Maureen Hilyard
<<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank">
maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
</span><dl>
<dd><span>This is really opening up a can of worms. have to take
people's word on TRUST.<br>
</span></dd><dd><span>It has already been intimated that we might need to get the
membership lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are
legitimately NOT members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the
members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India.<br>
</span></dd><dd><span>Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own
behalf rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single
person compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do
outreach so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their
bylaws of ALses?</span><font size="4">
</font></dd><dd><font size="4">ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed about
the significant news from ICANN
</font></dd><dd><font size="4">ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual
Internet users
</font></dd><dd><font size="4">ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda,
news about ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN
policy-development process
</font></dd><dd><font size="4">ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education
programs, regarding ICANN and its work <br>
</font></dd><dd><font size="4"> </font></dd></dl></dd></blockquote></dd>
<dd><span> but we also have to be mindful, that if former ALS members
leave an organisation, they may require a formal letter indicating that
they are not longer a member as part of the RALO application process.
This will <br>
</span></dd><dd><span>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu
<<a href="mailto:sb@inapp.com" target="_blank">sb@inapp.com</a>> wrote:
<dl>
<dd>Thanks Rajnesh.<br>
</dd><dd>The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We have
been finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it
is not always easy to keep track of the affiliations of organizations
that a person is a member of. We will consider revising the wording or
providing an example.<font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br><br>
</font></dd><dd><font color="#888888">satish
</font></dd><dd><font color="#888888"> </font></dd></dl></span></dd>
</dl>
<dd><span>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh
<<a href="mailto:rajnesh.singh@gmail.com" target="_blank">rajnesh.singh@gmail.com</a>
> wrote:
</span><dl>
<dd><span>So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual
applicant is not already a member via an ALS?
</span></dd><dd>This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS̢۪ -
like e I do for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of.<br><br>
</dd><dd>Raj<br>
<br>
</dd><dd><span>On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard
<<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank">
maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:
</span><dl>
<dd>Hi Afifa<br>
</dd><dd><span>If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an
individual member? He should already be involved.<br><br>
</span></dd><dd>M :)<br><br>
</dd><dd><span>On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas
<<a href="mailto:afifa.abbas118@gmail.com" target="_blank">afifa.abbas118@gmail.com</a>
> wrote:
</span><dl>
<dd>Hi All,<br>
</dd><dd><span>I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached
out to me for an outreach.
</span></dd><dd><span>I totally support their application.
</span></dd><dd>Regards,
</dd><dd>Afifa<br>
</dd><dd><span>On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani *
<<a href="mailto:pavan@namesphere.asia" target="_blank">pavan@namesphere.asia</a>>
wrote:
</span><dl>
<dd><span>Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A,
please help get that information<br>
</span></dd><dd><span>* Do they allow individual members?Yes
</span></dd><dd> Institutional members? N/A<br>
</dd><dd><span>* What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
their membership are individuals?
</span></dd><dd><span>(10) in Board of Trustees<br>
</span></dd><dd>(3) Audit Committee<br>
</dd><dd><span>(5) in Board of Directors<br>
</span></dd><dd>(35) other members†<br><div><div class="gmail-m_8323411513030386965m_-2104727440256648936gmail-m_-5022774305319323300m_-7075064430500973761h5">
<br>
</div></div></dd><dd>* Can individual members assume leadership positions?<br><br>
</dd><dd>N/A<br>
</dd><dd>Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :)<br>
</dd><dd>Thanks so much!<font color="#888888"><br>
</font></dd><dd><font color="#888888">Pavan</font></dd><br>
<br>
<br>
<dd>On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote:<br><br>
<dl>
<dd>* Do they allow individual members? Institutional members?
</dd><dd>* What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
their membership are individuals?
</dd><dd>* Can individual members assume leadership positions?<br>
<br><br>
</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></dl>
</dd></dl></dd></dl></dd></blockquote></div>
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