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<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体; BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=nadira.araj@gmail.com href="mailto:nadira.araj@gmail.com">Nadira
Alaraj</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>To:</B> <A title=sb@inapp.com
href="mailto:sb@inapp.com">Satish Babu</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Cc:</B> <A
title=apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org
href="mailto:apac-discuss@atlarge-lists.icann.org">APAC-Discuss</A> ; <A
title=anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com
href="mailto:anupamagrawal.in@gmail.com">Anupam Agrawal</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, December 03, 2017 4:43 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 9pt 宋体"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APAC-Discuss] APRALO
Application for new ALS and IndividualApplications</DIV>
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<DIV>Hi Satish,</DIV>
<DIV dir=auto>Regarding to point 4.</DIV>
<DIV dir=auto>"<SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: sans-serif">4. The current rules on
not admitting existing ALS members as individual members to APRALO is based on
the potential to weaken ALSes. It's perhaps time that these rules are reviewed
at both ALAC and RALO levels...however, this is not a decision to be taken
lightly."</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=auto>Many of the ALSes are run by a leadership team who may have no
activities to engage their ordinary members. </DIV>
<DIV dir=auto>Here I come back to the discussion point on what is the criteria
of making sure that a certified ALS is an active ALS as they are expected to
perform certain activities related to ICANN that comply to RALO requirements
in engaging both their own community and their wider community? If the said
ALS don't do that then a potential good members of such ALS will be of
disadvantage. Then if this potential member applied to be as individual
member in APRALO if they already active in ICANN WGs, are RALOs ready to
accept their application? </DIV>
<DIV dir=auto>This leads to the importance of documentation by ALS activities
on regular or even annual basis on their wiki space as part of basic
requirements to ALS. Not satisfying this basic requirement hints to their lack
of seriousness.</DIV>
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<DIV dir=auto>Best,</DIV>
<DIV dir=auto>Nadira </DIV>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Dec 3, 2017 08:56, "Satish Babu" <<A
href="mailto:sb@inapp.com">sb@inapp.com</A>> wrote:<BR type="attribution">
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<DIV>There are several considerations that we have to be mindful of,
<I>vis-a-vis</I> individual members, particularly after the recent At-Large
Review:<BR><BR></DIV>1. RALOs should encourage individual members to
participate in policy processes in RALOs and At-Large. <BR><BR>2. For this,
we need to ensure that individuals have low entry barriers (ie., a
light-weight admission process) compared to ALSes<BR><BR></DIV>3. The
current admission process for individual members ("Trust" and not
"Trust-but-verify") is based on keeping entry barriers low, but also because
we often have no other means of verification<BR><BR></DIV>4. The current
rules on not admitting existing ALS members as individual members to APRALO
is based on the potential to weaken ALSes. It's perhaps time that these
rules are reviewed at both ALAC and RALO levels...however, this is not a
decision to be taken lightly.<BR><BR></DIV>We are in the early phase of
inducting individual members. We have to learn as we go and fine-tune our
rules.<FONT color=#888888><BR><BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT color=#888888>
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<DIV><BR><BR></DIV>satish<BR><BR>
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<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Alan Greenberg <SPAN
dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca"
target=_blank>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV>All good questions. <BR><BR>I can even add another. Is there any harm
in a person becoming an individual member who is a member of an ALS, but
is not active in that ALS's activities with respect to being an ALS. That
situation could have applied to me - I was an individual member, but was
also historically a member of an ISOC Chapter, but only because I had
ticked off a box on a web form, not because I was active in it in any way.
Would there have been any harm in my continuing to be a "member" of that
ALS?<BR><BR>Ultimately, these are issues that either all RALOs must
address, or perhaps we will come up with a uniform cross-RALO criteria. An
important thing to keep in mind is that the overall target is to get
people active in ICANN processes.<BR><BR>Alan<SPAN><BR><BR>At 03/12/2017
01:30 AM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:<BR></SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=m_-7075064430500973761m_6087398056805970959cite
type="cite"><SPAN>But should we get individual members to sign a piece
of paper that says that they officially do not belong to an ALS?
<BR><BR>This discussion is important as APRALO seeks to confirm
acceptable criteria for registration of our ALSes (and any individual
members who belong to it and want to join in our discussions), as well
as those who are individual members not affiliated to any organisation.
<BR><BR>I like the example of our the Abu Dhabi representative of our
individual members - due to her own personal interest in the work of
ICANN, Justine was already an active member of a couple of working
groups before she became a formal individual member of APRALO. She was a
known entity and we have welcomed her participation in our discussions
as a regional participant in the same way as we accept the inputs of the
individual members who represent the interests of their ALSes. In
past discussions, APRALO raised the point that individual members should
already be actively engaged before we register them. There has been poor
commitment by some of the individual members we currently have on our
list How do we deregister them?<BR><BR>I can appreciate that
sometimes people may not be able to participate in an organisation that
meets face to face normally at a time and place that is not convenient
for everyone... and this was the reason we encouraged individual
members. But leaving an ALS to become an individual member does not make
sense to me. <BR><BR>M <BR>. <BR><BR>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 7:38
PM, Alan Greenberg <<A href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca"
target=_blank>alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</A> > wrote:<BR></SPAN>
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<DD><SPAN>One has to put these things in perspective and to examine
the effort involved vs the benefits and risks.<BR><BR></SPAN>
<DD><SPAN>Looking at an unrelated issue, ICANN directors are subject
to strict conflict of interest rules because it is important that they
not have a personal interest when making decisions on behalf of ICANN.
But all we ask is that they sign a piece of paper affirming what their
conflicts are (if any) and assuring that should one arise, they will
act properly. <BR><BR></SPAN>
<DD><SPAN>In the case of individual members, one has to look at the
risks of accepting people's word, the harm it would cause, and now
much it would cost/difficulty to investigate further vs the
benefits.<BR><BR></SPAN>
<DD>Alan<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DD><SPAN>At 02/12/2017 07:10 PM, Maureen Hilyard
wrote:<BR><BR></SPAN>
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<DD><SPAN>Sorry that was sent too early, accidentally This is really
opening up a can of worms. have to take people's word on
TRUST.<BR><BR></SPAN>
<DD><SPAN>It has already been intimated that we might need to get
the membership lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are
legitimately NOT members - I can just imagine trying to keep track
of the members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India.<BR><BR></SPAN>
<DD><SPAN>Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on
your own behalf rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how
does a single person compete against a chartered organisation for
regional funds to do outreach so that they can fulfil the other
ICANN expectations of ALses?<BR></SPAN>
<DD>ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed
about the significant news from ICANN<BR>
<DD>ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual
Internet users<BR>
<DD>ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated
agenda, news about ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN
policy-development process<BR>
<DD>ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education
programs, regarding ICANN and its work<BR>
<DD>ØMaking public, and analyzing, ICANN's proposed policies and
its decisions and their (potential)regional impact and (potential)
effect on individuals in the region; <BR>
<DD><SPAN>I started to make mention of the fact that we could have
to ask people who have disagreements with their ALS managements and
leave, that they may have to bring along a letter saying that they
are no longer members. But what a hassle.<BR></SPAN>
<DD><SPAN>But it is one of the thngs that I would like to discuss
with an volunteers of a group of APRALO members to discuss ALS
criteria, expectations and metrics.<BR></SPAN>
<DD><SPAN>Anyone want to join, drop me a line, and I will get staff
to create a wiki space for us.<BR></SPAN>
<DD>Maureen<BR><BR>
<DD><SPAN>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Maureen Hilyard <<A
href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target=_blank>
maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</A>> wrote: </SPAN>
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<DD><SPAN>This is really opening up a can of worms.
have to take people's word on TRUST.<BR></SPAN>
<DD><SPAN>It has already been intimated that we might need to get
the membership lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people
are legitimately NOT members - I can just imagine trying to keep
track of the members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India.<BR></SPAN>
<DD><SPAN>Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute
on your own behalf rather than a group's view is legitimate, but
how does a single person compete against a chartered organisation
for regional funds to do outreach so that thy can fulfil the other
ICANN expectations in their bylaws of ALses?</SPAN><FONT size=4>
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<DD><FONT size=4>ØKeeping the community of individual Internet
users informed about the significant news from ICANN </FONT>
<DD><FONT size=4>ØPromoting outreach activities in the community
of individual Internet users </FONT>
<DD><FONT size=4>ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an
updated agenda, news about ICANN, and information about items in
the ICANN policy-development process </FONT>
<DD><FONT size=4>ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going
information and education programs, regarding ICANN and its work
<BR></FONT>
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<DD><SPAN> but we also have to be mindful, that if former ALS
members leave an organisation, they may require a formal letter
indicating that they are not longer a member as part of the RALO
application process. This will <BR></SPAN>
<DD><SPAN>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu <<A
href="mailto:sb@inapp.com" target=_blank>sb@inapp.com</A>> wrote:
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<DD>Thanks Rajnesh.<BR>
<DD>The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We
have been finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed
out, it is not always easy to keep track of the affiliations of
organizations that a person is a member of. We will consider
revising the wording or providing an example.<FONT
color=#888888><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></FONT>
<DD><FONT color=#888888>satish </FONT>
<DD><FONT color=#888888></FONT> </DD></DL></SPAN></DD></DL>
<DD><SPAN>On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh <<A
href="mailto:rajnesh.singh@gmail.com"
target=_blank>rajnesh.singh@gmail.com</A> > wrote: </SPAN>
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<DD><SPAN>So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an
individual applicant is not already a member via an ALS? </SPAN>
<DD>This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS̢۪ -
like e I do for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of.<BR><BR>
<DD>Raj<BR><BR>
<DD><SPAN>On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard <<A
href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target=_blank>
maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</A>> wrote: </SPAN>
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<DD>Hi Afifa<BR>
<DD><SPAN>If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he
cannot be an individual member? He should already be
involved.<BR><BR></SPAN>
<DD>M :)<BR><BR>
<DD><SPAN>On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <<A
href="mailto:afifa.abbas118@gmail.com"
target=_blank>afifa.abbas118@gmail.com</A> > wrote: </SPAN>
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<DD>Hi All,<BR>
<DD><SPAN>I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate.
He reached out to me for an outreach. </SPAN>
<DD><SPAN>I totally support their application. </SPAN>
<DD>Regards,
<DD>Afifa<BR>
<DD><SPAN>On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * <<A
href="mailto:pavan@namesphere.asia"
target=_blank>pavan@namesphere.asia</A>> wrote: </SPAN>
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<DD><SPAN>Please check the answers below, Staff there are some
with a N/A, please help get that information<BR></SPAN>
<DD><SPAN>* Do they allow individual members?Yes </SPAN>
<DD> Institutional members? N/A<BR>
<DD><SPAN>* What is size of their membership at this time? What
proportion of their membership are individuals? </SPAN>
<DD><SPAN>(10) in Board of Trustees<BR></SPAN>
<DD>(3) Audit Committee<BR>
<DD><SPAN>(5) in Board of Directors<BR></SPAN>
<DD>(35) other members†<BR>
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<DD>* Can individual members assume leadership
positions?<BR><BR>
<DD>N/A<BR>
<DD>Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :)<BR>
<DD>Thanks so much!<FONT color=#888888><BR></FONT>
<DD><FONT color=#888888>Pavan</FONT><BR><BR><BR>
<DD>On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote:<BR><BR>
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<DD>* Do they allow individual members? Institutional members?
<DD>* What is size of their membership at this time? What
proportion of their membership are individuals?
<DD>* Can individual members assume leadership
positions?<BR><BR><BR></DD></DL></DD></DL></DD></DL></DD></DL></DD></DL></DD></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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