<div dir="ltr">But should we get individual members to sign a piece of paper that says that they officially do not belong to an ALS? <div><br></div><div>This discussion is important as APRALO seeks to confirm acceptable criteria for registration of our ALSes (and any individual members who belong to it and want to join in our discussions), as well as those who are individual members not affiliated to any organisation. <div><br></div><div>I like the example of our the Abu Dhabi representative of our individual members - due to her own personal interest in the work of ICANN, Justine was already an active member of a couple of working groups before she became a formal individual member of APRALO. She was a known entity and we have welcomed her participation in our discussions as a regional participant in the same way as we accept the inputs of the individual members who represent the interests of their ALSes. In past discussions, APRALO raised the point that individual members should already be actively engaged before we register them. There has been poor commitment by some of the individual members we currently have on our list How do we deregister them?</div><div><br></div><div>I can appreciate that sometimes people may not be able to participate in an organisation that meets face to face normally at a time and place that is not convenient for everyone... and this was the reason we encouraged individual members. But leaving an ALS to become an individual member does not make sense to me. </div><div><br></div><div>M </div><div>. </div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Alan Greenberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca" target="_blank">alan.greenberg@mcgill.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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One has to put these things in perspective and to examine the effort
involved vs the benefits and risks.<br><br>
Looking at an unrelated issue, ICANN directors are subject to strict
conflict of interest rules because it is important that they not have a
personal interest when making decisions on behalf of ICANN. But all we
ask is that they sign a piece of paper affirming what their conflicts are
(if any) and assuring that should one arise, they will act properly.
<br><br>
In the case of individual members, one has to look at the risks of
accepting people's word, the harm it would cause, and now much it would
cost/difficulty to investigate further vs the benefits.<br><br>
Alan<span class=""><br><br>
<br><br>
<br>
At 02/12/2017 07:10 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:<br><br>
</span><blockquote type="cite" class="m_-4430407003983026718cite"><span class="">Sorry that was sent too early,
accidentally This is really opening up a can of worms. have
to take people's word on TRUST.<br><br>
It has already been intimated that we might need to get the membership
lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately NOT
members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of
PICISOC or any ISOC In India.<br>
<br>
Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own behalf
rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single person
compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do
outreach so that they can fulfil the other ICANN expectations of
ALses?<br></span>
ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed about the
significant news from ICANN<br>
ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet
users<br>
ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news
about ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development
process<br>
ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education programs,
regarding ICANN and its work<br>
ØMaking public, and analyzing, ICANN's proposed policies and its
decisions and their (potential)regional impact and (potential) effect on
individuals in the region; <br><span class="">
I started to make mention of the fact that we could have to ask people
who have disagreements with their ALS managements and leave, that they
may have to bring along a letter saying that they are no longer members.
But what a hassle.<br>
But it is one of the thngs that I would like to discuss with an
volunteers of a group of APRALO members to discuss ALS criteria,
expectations and metrics.<br>
Anyone want to join, drop me a line, and I will get staff to create a
wiki space for us.<br>
Maureen<br><br>
On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Maureen Hilyard
<<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank">
maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</span><dl>
<dd><span class="">This is really opening up a can of worms. have to take
people's word on TRUST.<br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">It has already been intimated that we might need to get the
membership lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are
legitimately NOT members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the
members of PICISOC or any ISOC In India.<br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own
behalf rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single
person compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do
outreach so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their
bylaws of ALses?<br>
</span><font size="4"><br>
</font></dd><dd><font size="4">ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed about
the significant news from ICANN<br>
</font></dd><dd><font size="4">ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual
Internet users<br>
</font></dd><dd><font size="4">ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news
about ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development
process<br>
</font></dd><dd><font size="4">ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education
programs, regarding ICANN and its work <br><br>
</font></dd><dd><font size="4"> <br>
</font></dd><br>
<dd><span class=""> but we also have to be mindful, that if former ALS members
leave an organisation, they may require a formal letter indicating that
they are not longer a member as part of the RALO application process.
This will <br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu
<<a href="mailto:sb@inapp.com" target="_blank">sb@inapp.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</span><dl>
<dd>Thanks Rajnesh.<br><br>
</dd><dd><span class="">The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We have
been finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it
is not always easy to keep track of the affiliations of organizations
that a person is a member of. We will consider revising the wording or
providing an example.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br><br>
<br><br>
<br><br>
<br>
</font></span></dd><dd><font color="#888888">satish<br>
</font></dd><dd><font color="#888888"> <br>
</font></dd></dl></dd><br>
<dd><span class="">On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh
<<a href="mailto:rajnesh.singh@gmail.com" target="_blank">rajnesh.singh@gmail.com</a>
> wrote:<br>
</span><dl>
<dd><span class="">So I wonder out loud what is the process to ensure that an individual
applicant is not already a member via an ALS?<br>
</span></dd><dd>This could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS’ - like
I do for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of.<br><br>
</dd><dd>Raj<br><br>
<br>
</dd><dd><span class="">On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard
<<a href="mailto:maureen.hilyard@gmail.com" target="_blank">
maureen.hilyard@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<dd>Hi Afifa<br><br>
</dd><dd><span class="">If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an
individual member? He should already be involved.<br><br>
</span></dd><dd>M :)<br><br>
</dd><dd><span class="">On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas
<<a href="mailto:afifa.abbas118@gmail.com" target="_blank">afifa.abbas118@gmail.com</a>
> wrote:<br>
</span><dl>
<dd>Hi All,<br><br>
</dd><dd><span class="">I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached
out to me for an outreach.<br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">I totally support their application.<br>
</span></dd><dd>Regards,<br>
</dd><dd>Afifa<br><br>
</dd><dd><span class="">On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani *
<<a href="mailto:pavan@namesphere.asia" target="_blank">pavan@namesphere.asia</a>>
wrote:<br>
</span><dl>
<dd><span class="">Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A,
please help get that information<br><br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">* Do they allow individual members?Yes<br>
</span></dd><dd> Institutional members? N/A<br><br>
</dd><dd><span class="">* What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
their membership are individuals?<br>
</span></dd><dd><span class="">(10) in Board of Trustees<br><br>
</span></dd><dd>(3) Audit Committee<br><br>
</dd><dd><span class="">(5) in Board of Directors<br><br>
</span></dd><dd>(35) other members†<br><span class=""><br>
<br>
</span></dd><dd>* Can individual members assume leadership positions?<br><br>
</dd><dd>N/A<br><br>
</dd><dd>Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :)<br><br>
</dd><dd>Thanks so much!<font color="#888888"><br><br>
</font></dd><dd><font color="#888888">Pavan</font></dd><br><br>
<br><br>
<dd>On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote:<br>
<dl><br>
<dd>* Do they allow individual members? Institutional members?<br>
</dd><dd>* What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of
their membership are individuals?<br>
</dd><dd>* Can individual members assume leadership positions?<br><br>
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