[APAC-Discuss] APRALO Application for new ALS and Individual Applications

[Maureen Hilyard]

PICISOC is another example. There are people in isolated islands who have
never personally met another PICISOC member. They may be the only one on
their particular island in the group of islands belonging to their country.

The email list is the connector and amongst all those tiny little islands
it maintains one of the strongest lines of communications among its virtual
membership that is quite unique.

But I do not think that their physical separation from each other would
ever cause any one of them to want to join APRALO as an individual member.
Our cultures value the connectedness that we have with each other.

It is also why it is important for us to continue to push for sustainable
and affordable access so that PICISOC members can continue to participate
in both ISOC and ICANN activities as a united Chapter and ALS.

M

On 2/12/2017 8:47 pm, "Alan Greenberg" <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:

> All good questions.
>
> I can even add another. Is there any harm in a person becoming an
> individual member who is a member of an ALS, but is not active in that
> ALS's activities with respect to being an ALS. That situation could have
> applied to me - I was an individual member, but was also historically a
> member of an ISOC Chapter, but only because I had ticked off a box on a web
> form, not because I was active in it in any way. Would there have been any
> harm in my continuing to be a "member" of that ALS?
>
> Ultimately, these are issues that either all RALOs must address, or
> perhaps we will come up with a uniform cross-RALO criteria. An important
> thing to keep in mind is that the overall target is to get people active in
> ICANN processes.
>
> Alan
>
> At 03/12/2017 01:30 AM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>
> But should we get individual members to sign a piece of paper that says
> that they officially do not belong to an ALS?
>
> This discussion is important as APRALO seeks to confirm acceptable
> criteria for registration of our ALSes (and any individual members who
> belong to it and want to join in our discussions), as well as those who are
> individual members not affiliated to any organisation.
>
> I like the example of our the Abu Dhabi representative of our individual
> members - due to her own personal interest in the work of ICANN, Justine
> was already an active member of a couple of working groups before she
> became a formal individual member of APRALO. She was a known entity and we
> have welcomed her participation in our discussions as a regional
> participant in the same way as we accept the inputs of the individual
> members who represent  the interests of their ALSes. In past discussions,
> APRALO raised the point that individual members should already be actively
> engaged before we register them. There has been poor commitment by some of
> the individual members we currently have on our list  How do we deregister
> them?
>
> I can appreciate that sometimes people may not be able to participate in
> an organisation that meets face to face normally at a time and place that
> is not convenient for everyone... and this was the reason we encouraged
> individual members. But leaving an ALS to become an individual member does
> not make sense to me.
>
> M
> .
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 7:38 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
> > wrote:
> One has to put these things in perspective and to examine the effort
> involved vs the benefits and risks.
>
> Looking at an unrelated issue, ICANN directors are subject to strict
> conflict of interest rules because it is important that they not have a
> personal interest when making decisions on behalf of ICANN. But all we ask
> is that they sign a piece of paper affirming what their conflicts are (if
> any) and assuring that should one arise, they will act properly.
>
> In the case of individual members, one has to look at the risks of
> accepting people's word, the harm it would cause, and now much it would
> cost/difficulty to investigate further vs the benefits.
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
> At 02/12/2017 07:10 PM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>
> Sorry that was sent too early, accidentally This is really opening up a
> can of worms.   have to take people's word on TRUST.
>
> It has already been intimated that we might need to get the membership
> lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately NOT
> members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC
> or any ISOC In India.
>
> Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own behalf
> rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single person
> compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do outreach
> so that they can fulfil the other ICANN expectations of ALses?
> ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed about the
> significant news from ICANN
> ØPromoting outreach activities in the community of individual Internet
> users
> ØDistributing (through posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news
> about ICANN, and information about items in the ICANN policy-development
> process
> ØDeveloping and maintaining on-going information and education programs,
> regarding ICANN and its work
> ØMaking public, and analyzing, ICANN's proposed policies and its
> decisions and their (potential)regional impact and (potential) effect on
> individuals in the region;
> I started to make mention of the fact that we could have to ask people who
> have disagreements with their ALS managements and leave, that they may have
> to bring along a letter saying that they are no longer members. But what a
> hassle.
> But it is one of the thngs that I would like to discuss with an volunteers
> of a group of APRALO members to discuss ALS criteria, expectations and
> metrics.
> Anyone want to join, drop me a line, and I will get staff to create a wiki
> space for us.
> Maureen
>
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Maureen Hilyard <
> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote: This is really opening up a can of
> worms.   have to take people's word on TRUST.
> It has already been intimated that we might need to get the membership
> lists of all our ALSes to check on whether people are legitimately NOT
> members - I can just imagine trying to keep track of the members of PICISOC
> or any ISOC In India.
> Becoming an individual member to be able to contribute on your own behalf
> rather than a group's view is legitimate, but how does a single person
> compete against a chartered organisation for regional funds to do outreach
> so that thy can fulfil the other ICANN expectations in their bylaws of
> ALses? ØKeeping the community of individual Internet users informed
> about the significant news from ICANN ØPromoting outreach activities in
> the community of individual Internet users ØDistributing (through
> posting or otherwise) an updated agenda, news about ICANN, and information
> about items in the ICANN policy-development process ØDeveloping and
> maintaining on-going information and education programs, regarding ICANN
> and its work
>
>
>   but we also have to be mindful, that if former ALS members leave an
> organisation, they may require a formal letter indicating that they are not
> longer a member as part of the RALO application process. This will
> On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 3:26 AM, Satish Babu <sb at inapp.com> wrote: Thanks
> Rajnesh.
> The current mechanism is a self-declaration by the applicant. We have been
> finding that this doesn't always work. As you have pointed out, it is not
> always easy to keep track of the affiliations of organizations that a
> person is a member of. We will consider revising the wording or providing
> an example.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> satish   On Sat, Dec 2, 2017 at 6:28 PM, Rajnesh Singh <
> rajnesh.singh at gmail.com > wrote: So I wonder out loud what is the process
> to ensure that an individual applicant is not already a member via an ALS? This
> could get messy as one could belong to one of many ALS̢۪ - like e I do
> for example. Sometimes hard to track, be aware of.
>
> Raj
>
> On Mon, 27 Nov 2017 at 1:38 pm, Maureen Hilyard <
> maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> wrote: Hi Afifa
> If Buddha is already a member of ISOC Kolkata then he cannot be an
> individual member? He should already be involved.
>
> M :)
>
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 6:58 AM, Afifa Abbas <afifa.abbas118 at gmail.com >
> wrote: Hi All,
> I met Buddha in Abu Dhabi and he seems very passionate. He reached out to
> me for an outreach. I totally support their application. Regards, Afifa
> On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 7:43 AM, Pavan Budhrani * <pavan at namesphere.asia>
> wrote: Please check the answers below, Staff there are some with a N/A,
> please help get that information
> * Do they allow individual members?Yes    Institutional members? N/A
> * What is size of their membership at this time? What proportion of their
> membership are individuals? (10) in Board of Trustees
> (3) Audit Committee
> (5) in Board of Directors
> (35) other membersâ€
>
> * Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>
> N/A
> Also please help follow up with Buddha Haldar, Staff :)
> Thanks so much!
> Pavan
>
>
> On 11/21/17 9:01 PM, Satish Babu wrote:
>
> * Do they allow individual members? Institutional members? * What is size
> of their membership at this time? What proportion of their membership are
> individuals? * Can individual members assume leadership positions?
>
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